Without further ado, the No Simple Road Crew gives you, Melvin Seals of the JGB!
... I am Aaron. Aaron good to meet you all right you too man and my name is Mel so nice to meet you likewise thank you good meeting and then the third one here I'm apple and thank you for joining us today Melvin on this beautiful Sunday all right is beautiful Sunday you're right about that where where are you at Melvin I am in San Francisco right now is that his old home base but is home for retirement so %HESITATION you know what's happening well first and foremost thanks for agreeing to do this for us and we're so excited to have you on no simple road %HESITATION thank you thank you for having me I appreciate it we met some very briefly N. twenty nineteen at home that's going roses but you were on and off stage over and over again and we were we were trying to catch up with you but we didn't have the chance and %HESITATION I finally came around him and yeah well we are now yeah yes so Melvin I mean I don't even know where to start with you I you know I want to ask you a question man it over a lot career spanning so many years you've done countless countless interviews and I'm sure like been asked the same boring questions over and over and over again and I wonder is there anything that like you always want to talk about and nobody has ever asked you about well that's a good question at U. acts that early and I thought about it I probably could have came up with a lot of things but just off the top of my head sh no not really all right right now I can't think of what causes so many things and I can't grab it right now right cool man I guess there was a brief question that could have thought of something yes let's talk that's our last question Melvin I want to that's a good question you threw me off I just I think about like well Melvin's career you know it's it's spending all these decades in like sitting down with interviewers over and over again and I would think at some point it just becomes like okay here we go again they're gonna ask me about the Jerry Garcia band what it was like to play with Jerry and you know and I don't want to do that to you man I I a one that speaks about Melvin yeah I want to get to know you man so %HESITATION you know first and foremost how are you doing rather it means we've we've all been through some tumultuous times in the past couple years man and I I how you doing well I'm doing pretty good I mean I've had it your last year you know end of last year had some health problems but you know this year so far has been treating me very nicely and I'm yelling and getting better every day awesome awesome already back to work so %HESITATION I can't complain I won't complain doesn't do any good anyway skip a beat then you've got well and got right back on stage I got right back all state even before I was totally well but I got back on stage and things are feeling pretty normal now so yeah I I missed some shows not many maybe for five shows but you know %HESITATION I've never missed a show of force so I think I'm allowed in some forty fifty years maybe four call in yeah yeah but that was no problem I'm so the current configuration of J. G. B. is with John K. right yes okay yeah okay go ahead I know you got it okay so over the years there have been you know obviously Jerry was the O. G. N. after Jerry's passing you know other guitar players have rotated in and out N. one of the things that always crossed my mind in watching different guitar players play with you in Jerry's style is I wondered if Blake it's difficult for you to lock in to that vibe when it's not Jerry playing that thing when it's somebody emulating or %HESITATION playing in his style it certainly doesn't really feel good even though %HESITATION you know when you take on somebody because you need somebody in %HESITATION and and and that's who's available it doesn't feel good I know that within myself I feel like I'm cheating the fans that it could be better but the answer is not funny at the time %HESITATION and so you know as you meet more people %HESITATION and you travel there's guitar players that what kind of jury clothes all over the world just wanna play like sure they may have looked at too but they can't really sit in that seat yeah %HESITATION %HESITATION %HESITATION Missouri you mesmerize you all night long share there's only a few people who do that and now I have %HESITATION I considered the number one well I'm gonna I'm gonna agree with you a hundred percent John we had John on the show very early on in we've been doing this what the one on my twenty seventeen and yet so we had him on early on and he is one of the individuals that we've spoken to the left of me dealing like I really got an education just by sitting within thirty minutes you know what I mean like there's a there's a presence in an energy with him that comes through even without his instrument his hand and then you put the instrument is and and it's it's a and I don't think of John as a Jerry clone I think of Joe Johns thing you know what I mean yeah I I I I not trying to label him because that is what I'm saying if you can if you want a guy to sell like this year right I think he's one of the best absolutely of course as I listen to a night after night and we work on some new ideas eagles far beyond Jerry and not just a jury do it I'm just saying as he's just not Jerry Colonna yeah but for the JGB me when we're trying to do a song as close as possible as I had with Gerry you know John does the job well yes in John John just seems so because we went and hung out with them to add a show here his is his personality like his is the way he carries himself is so laid back like %HESITATION open and laid back and just he's a comfortable person to be around yes yes it's easy you know easy does we have no problem whatsoever he'd been in the band maybe a year and a half close maybe two years no bumping of the head because clearly he's his own art has to be banned as a result you know but he can kill it clearly do what I'm doing is all but we have the meeting of the minds and we share a common wealth of music we like what we're doing together and I just leave me alone and you was thank you leave me alone let me do my thing it just works you know yes absolutely absolutely works in an you know J. G. B. for a large portion of this community is is our church music meant it you know S. it honest to god moment it's where I learned what gospel music is I grew up in a Jewish family I don't know anything about gospel music Jerry Garcia band taught me gospel music straight in N. I hear from so many people that Sunday morning is the time for Jerry Garcia band like that's there you know that's our church and was that a %HESITATION the thing that you and Jerry set out to make it that way or was it just because of the song selection it turned out that way well I don't want to take the credit for that but that's just how I play that's who I am %HESITATION I king street church of church all my life and I was still playing a tricky when when I was what year and so you know ironically when I started playing in bands that would not cost the church I tried to I tried to not be so church put them what would what would sound like not so church she like what were you trying to either omit or add to your playing that would make it more or less church he well I listen to I don't know the name of organists a lot of their name by listen to songs songs got on radio that was like the office great so strong that they had great organ solos right here on the air you know not only because I was cited church and just all churches I didn't know the name of the band or what about a year you hear this one understand this organ solo like costumes by that age and so I tried to better myself also somebody solos from these organised that we're in big rock band I remember %HESITATION remember a song you may remember it I think it's %HESITATION J. had high it up up at since August so gorgeous so in the summer that saw almost classical style deep stuff and I had a member that song and I was trying to pack so much is that you know this message it means that you're always gotten the jazz organs organ players played with you know other hit bands at I just don't like that I did not sound like that with my my stuff to come out like that and there's one guy that I should follow she is a lot of his direction because he was searching and I could play his licks so I listened to him and he caught a help me develop not just plain all the way to church but this is how you can approach it well no one heated no but I'm listening to and that was built first %HESITATION okay okay good question came either your teams ahead of me playful choirs and stuff no although we play would rate Charles and reset and who knows everybody else how that something that a lot of those other guys I had a little bit with and so I just started crying or using his approach not to be so she but yet it it came through your music okay and and that's what I wanted to do I just couldn't get it sure it's not that I wanted to I wanted to be able to one in this government a reggae band this is how Ricky guys quite when I'm playing jazz or blues how these guys play you know I just wanted to have a diverse I think my sense part of the magic though of of what do you do what G. G. B. is it better has that vibe to it and it worked I don't know how to say this right we're getting to the same place we're we're ending up there together you know what I mean why didn't call it what you want it's a concert it's church whatever we're still feeling the spirit one way or the other and the so okay full disclosure %HESITATION this is on Erin Melvin this is not on out of it okay full disclosure okay I was a worship leader in the church for a while okay there you go yeah N. M. it was a there was a clear line drawn between the world in church and the world outside yeah yeah and I can't imagine doing what you did because it it would have seemed antithetical you know what I'm saying like plain in the church and then plan G. G. B. those two worlds are very different and they're very different and I've heard a lot the church side you know how long you know %HESITATION but train a devil's music and you need to serve god yes Sir god is that what the same tab %HESITATION and all of that you can you know I'm sorry I I came out there with with this in the back of my mind then the other says that god gave me this gift to share among and everybody should see me stay here and what I finally start to realize S. you made your statement it's like your church so here I am lane for some people that may not ever set foot in church but yes I can bring that sh five been feeling and if you feel any spirit ride into the concert hall because you're not gonna go to church but used but you're still in something and you don't know what it is and it is the church wow yes wow so would you say that's the spirit we like what okay I like to kind of get a like a little bit more into it as far as like you're playing whatever the notes are for the song but there's something more coming through clearly then just the proper notes and so I believe that's kind of like what we all feel coming in %HESITATION through when you when you play is that would you say that that's the spirit would you say that you just are in a trance like how how what's that %HESITATION is the spirit in within okay that's within me what leaves the heart reaches the heart all right wingers all okay and and and and I still and I go deep with a more deep than you just seen your own key works why don't act up I don't even know who I'm not trying to really get up and perform I sit there and I get into a mold that this is a vehicle that god has given me and I'm gonna get you best I wanted people to feel something and I work hard in in in translating that so my every note my every given dot yeah yes I'm using it to the best of my knowledge and I think it's clear to me you feel it absolutely because I hear it all the time I hear it all even with Gerry I'm very dodgy because our church when we should be used in the war feel all the time what is our church is there a lot you know I saw it and I hear that J. G. B.'s our church and so when you said is that something you plan faster I don't wanna take the credit but I do believe I have a lot to do with that yeah what do you hear the organ without any other instrument no other instrument it feels like you need to sit down that Hammond is over you know sit down or stand up and raise your hand you know what I mean I get it I did grow up in the church and I grew up in lots of different you know actually lots of different religions and merry to Erin so I I've experienced the synagogue I have you know a plethora of different you know people in my home so I've been to Baptist church I've been I've been to all different types of church Christian church I know when I feel that spirit I know I understand when you get that when you it's in you when you're feeling that music yeah it's just %HESITATION kind like what Erin was saying when you're playing for secular I guess you know would be the word like a secular audience mmhm I I don't know if the delivery would be different but you just clearly said no that's your spirit coming within and okay I I want to add to that and I can say this for other musicians because other users may be able to deliver the same thing what I'm not I've never been clustered by drugs alcohol and drugs I have never smoked weed in my life that is a bad thing I'm not in or or taken any drugs I don't know what jobs like I have no idea have they ever been messed up it might been subsumed red wine because I love it but so I'm not clustered by stop is yours here why are so I mean if you don't mind you can say no but I just what we're being in that atmosphere how did you remain so that your to all of these types of you know %HESITATION substances that temptations whatever you know %HESITATION you're gonna play better you're gonna feel better or whatever that you know they yeah exactly how how did you I mean you you sound like you're not going to you know it's way for anybody but I just remember yourself like lego is not right up at close friends tell me August what is that why is this like see things differently the colors of different I've heard it all but the reason why I can't is that bad when I was in high school and I don't tell this portion of the store I won't do it I think one time well thank you then what when I was in high school I remember want to twice I cut class no and I know how to pick the lock in the auditorium you know it wasn't very hard sh number only one story and when there's nothing going on there yeah I don't you know looking to turn the lights on it looking after looking at the news going up like a concert hall and they had a grand piano I would go in there and play the piano and pretend like I'm playing for you know thousand nine thousand people and I made a vow to god then that if you blessed me to be successful in the career of music I would never about to deviate in the things that comes with it that may not be good for your health good so then I just don't think you want to see and saw so look what has happened I because I feel like the moment I do I I'm I lose I lose commit that I lose the connection I also yeah that's strong that that that's as strong as your planters I've heard you know like to you made a commitment to yourself you know under under oath to god only the two of you and anybody can renege on that commitment you know well who would know exactly what you would know clearly it would exactly that's huge Melvin what an aside from your musical career what an accomplishment well in the same promise not just being poor but the promise not to mention the cats that he was there has been around his entire career yeah this is it I mean I this is I I don't wanna %HESITATION if you know their %HESITATION any any shade but like okay this is Pacific %HESITATION the Grateful Dead that kind of jam band music that genre is almost inter linked with drug use and say I don is always you know sex drugs and rock and roll you know and go again but I can't get involved right I thank you I feel like the day I do it's over hi I understand that %HESITATION Melvin did you just keep yourself a little bit more separate is that how you would hello no no no no it's just that they're still interested I've always been a strong individualistic you know I see I'm watch guys and watch what goes on in and I just look at this no interest I have no interest whatsoever I don't know what it's like so I know what you're missing don't miss the nothing exactly right right and I can tell you from experience yeah a miss if nothing yes No yeah Melvin that's really powerful man and it to to think about just that by itself Hey it's that's heavy man yeah and like I said that's my life right no I get it and and the guys that you've been around our some of the the best heaviest later I know it's around man in like and in that world too and and not without it so I can't imagine not without its like watching that happen to the people that you care about and you love is not fun and %HESITATION you know just a little more context in who I am late I I went to my first Grateful Dead show in nineteen eighty nine and a I had a transformational like Paul on the road to tarsus einer experience at that show like for real for real change my life for the rest of my life %HESITATION I have never experienced anything like that outside of that ever then the and then I went to a G. G. B. show N. it was it happened again on another level I remember you took me to do we went to that shoreline won in ninety two yeah yeah N. but for a kid that's eighteen years old doesn't know anything that that happens to it's very easy to deify people that are on the stage when that things happen when that thing happened yes we get I'm coming from absolutely yes I'm N. I just wonder from your vantage point how am I'll be around somebody with that because it there was definitely a presence in an energy that was particular to to Jerry that you affected people in a very peculiar and specific kind of a way and I wonder what your experience is with that from your side well you know %HESITATION Jiri armed I think a lot of the spirit we had a lot of that you know Jerry knew the Bible inside and out I don't know at what point when he had time to even notice but he knew it I've been to Jerry house and I'm trying to remember the circumstances when he would interpret something thank where does this come from yeah it was almost like he was set upon the earth two like I described to me when I lay I'm reaching people Jerry I feel like was set here to reach me but I told him three times I told it %HESITATION I remember Jordan when he had the accident on the bridge well if you remember that in an accident but it was just in the vendor and you know putting them during this much more for you to do then I think what you're doing the other was when he went into a diabetic coma may remember that I do when he came out Jerry you are set aside for something much more it is the third one I don't remember the third what and he said well I just wish you would just revealed to me by a joke and I don't but I don't drink don't you know that I think it's much more to you yes what people are hearing you playing the guitar you know I do believe that there was much more to generate that maybe he didn't want to let out or didn't want to go down that road I'm not for sure I feel that way %HESITATION Jerry felt me and Jerry Jerry would make sure I had a dressing room of my own because he didn't want me see that although I know yeah yes he felt more comfortable but he always made sure I had a choice of my own but we showed up at places that's very respect respect yeah yeah that's respect yeah yes it was yeah it's a I I gotta agree with you I I don't think that somebody with that kind of impact on so many people is yes a performer and a right do you know if it will never know it is what it is now N. right right but here's here's the good thing is that whatever that thing is that was happening is still happening it's still going on there %HESITATION strong it didn't never doesn't not fade away I hate to be not much easier right but Israel there different people interpret it different ways and and in a world like to date it is so much needed that's your dad five how you want it when you get goose bumps or whatever song give you we really need you know %HESITATION yes world needs all the love it can get right now %HESITATION yeah you're right you so what's your I think that the Grateful Dead %HESITATION and G. G. B. R. in no small part responsible for the wider jam band music scene that we see today without the Grateful Dead and Garcia and you guys we wouldn't have done what what's going on music would be very different that's true S. U. N. in in twenty fifteen when fairly well happen there was a a revitalization it seems like that kind of happened and I I'm curious what your take is on the jam band scene now and and where it's headed and what you're seeing there well it has opened up a major doors for a lot of bands to come out and explore what we do Grateful Dead Jerry took certain element but it has the ball a lot more but you're right about there you know when you think about festivals there's only quiet there wasn't there's only a few big festivals you know %HESITATION that might be limited there were festivals but she knew what were now this festivals yes well every town and city and all kind of band you don't even know that that came out of that this festival this campground camping it psychedelic and dancing in the winter vehicles on all was stolen from the Grateful Dead was doing you know there was other Janis Joplin and Jimi Hendrix all that but but it what was pretty much the Grateful Dead and it's amazing when I when I travel now and I go to in the first what but never ever heard of a new no no nothing about and how they are kind of similarity though this call came from it all came from that yeah so if there's a whole new where %HESITATION you know %HESITATION jam bands and outdoor festivals and things like that that all was born from what they gave us an innocent using sasa it's it's it's the best in I we've talked to some artists in the you know ask them do you prefer playing festivals or your own shows and and I've gotten a mixed bag of answers with that what what how do you feel about that you like playing the festival's I think I do %HESITATION most times most times outdoors like outdoors biggest stages you know but before that the NBN and %HESITATION smoked she said she wished him again because I don't smoke you know in in clothes because it's outdoors and then bears there and I can breathe even and I feel better about that yeah but it's all personal reasons why I I kind of put forward you know right I got you yeah and yeah we're going to see here in a scholarly weeks it's going roses metro again and you're also planned Earth Day arts to address are there any differences is thrown that earth dance revolution that your plan %HESITATION in %HESITATION in Vinita right now by Eugene yeah %HESITATION yes I'm aware I'm aware I think I've ever done but I'm aware of it yeah that's it I think it's the first one down there that's the man that first of all stone roses in yeah what that was great that was so very much skull and roses one of the reasons we're talking to you and we we're going to talk to you at school roses before is because of our connection we met Dennis McNally when we're there yes yes and then it oh my gosh Dennis and his wife are the sweetest coolest people on earth you can it took us under his wing not this was three year you know we didn't really know what we're doing we're still we only we still are green behind the ears but we're figuring it out like anybody he took S. N. N. the one I just remember the one thing we still we still hold on to this like a badge of honor he set up interviews for us we got to talk to %HESITATION teal and some other people he told us what he told us how many minutes when to be there and the entire festival he was like you guys our on time to respect everything I did that's hard to find in that scene it's very hard on it he was like he was like thank you so much I want to work with you guys more and he has he has become like a you know like that great uncle to us yeah and just he's a guy's great yeah and he sped speaks very highly of you of course you know what he does he knows what he's doing this sure million years old yeah Melvin I wonder what kind of like words of wisdom you would give to that like we're just on what the whole festivals and it's like you're seeing it again you know you've already saw this it happened what what kind of advice would you give to you know maybe like a starting out musician or somebody young that's enjoying the music in that scene what what what would you say to them well I would honestly tell a close a close attention and learn all they can you know and I would not like to see them being influenced by the bad scene in bad taste to good stuff learning you know about what you do wonder again what leaves the heart reach the heart and I prefer people to give the audience their heart and they give them a drugged out personal stage because they think this is what date do you give them you will see you are given your Alex Roth out you know I would definitely advise one to go down that road that the other yeah I like I like that saying that you said whatever leaves the heart reaches the heart yeah that's true that's like when you play the organ that's what it feels like that like it's comin at you you know a Mack truck could be three except your good good mashup you know man Shane that's how I feel it I mean I I mean I'm put my hand up and my got my little you know earlier but we all we always start watching videos and playing music you know listen to have my whole life but like looking at some stuff you're one of the few music musicians Jerry had it you you have where you look in the entire band you were playing with what you're doing the solo there mesmerized they're just almost there just like like and then there staring like all my gosh he I can't leave is it that you do you you you can make a respect and everything out of these eight musicians are credible look at you with her mouth open like and that that that speech to Willie we hear what you're saying now like playing from the heart reaches the heart that's it it's hidden your peers on stage the audience everyone I'm sure all your loved ones everything is a how how old were you when you started playing I think eight right is that right %HESITATION but seven eight years old when I was first started playing it was it your parents that got you started or was it just you they had a innate need to play that no longer works my father was the pianist of the church and he was the choir director and so again our lives begin because to my mother and father were very church oriented people and we had to go away then there's a piano in the house and so you know you know at some point you know listen to musicians and and there's a piano in the house and it just it just is just kind of happened yeah I mean when did you feel like you like for your own self when did you feel like you U. N. god it had that packed like I know I god this is it this is that moment I feel like I I got it when did you have that moment that's a good question because I've done a lot of professional things before Jerry and before Elvin bishop you may end up some place moment I did a lot of Broadway show so I was just in the professional scene John Hendricks lander and Jackson Ross well quite a few people %HESITATION that was a whole different kind of scene we don't Broadway but I don't know because I don't know I was buying everything up until you said that I don't like that okay I do what I do what I need to do I mean clearly there is a whole nother level in it came minutes you guys and sentiments %HESITATION gosh I wish I was planted that are on that level these people out there but I am appreciative of where I am you know D. D. do you think that I guess this might be a dumb question but whatever it is that is that gratitude that %HESITATION that you have for your where you're at do you think that's the thing that gives you the fuel to keep going and doing more is that gratitude in that he well as you as I'm getting older I am working hard not to lose a match is my S. because it's so easy that you get up in age you just not played you don't play the same you know sing the same or you know folks say well man he used to be a lot better than years now but we love them I work hard to not let that happen and may happen at some point sure will but I really work hard so as I'm working hard I am still developing still coming up with some things that I never would have done before because I'm working on it I rehearse more now than ever while you know that I guess that's true men like with anything if you think that you made it then there's nothing to reach for and then the journey kinda just just okay great now I made it and what what what what but what do I do now but there's also a point where you have to you know be able to look back and be like wow he his accomplishments not to Pat yourself on the head back or give yourself a big head but like I did do something there's a lot of people that have been blessed by my music there's a lot of people that have you know been enlightened by it and so I guess that's really more as opposed to like you know certain kind of late stage that you've been on that gave you that kind of aha moment but like you know you you really get into people soul that's easy not not everybody can do that well I hear that but you know it is a good over here I don't understand it yeah I don't you know okay I there's quite a few times that %HESITATION when we talk about people who stand outside it's the email did you feel it you know that the third song the third verse rather %HESITATION before the horse and they went to the audience I don't know what they're talking about you know there was you know that yeah I think it did you know I don't know I I don't know what they felt because I'm on stage Senate out there all state receiving and out of ours I can't so at some point this is something I did that just as soon let you fight the audience yeah I don't know at what point and wind so I'm kind of disconnected from that when they tell me when they don't know you know I I hear all kinds of things a number of recent but I don't get it I really don't get beat because it's coming from different error so are you like that with the %HESITATION maybe like you know a failure or something like that or something maybe you didn't get right D. it same thing just kind of leave it no big deal like it's it is what it is yeah I try to when I hit you know some nights are not as good nights instead of it and I mean by %HESITATION I could be getting on with hitting a couple bad no Jamaica's the mistakes you make that effort here right but I know I did okay you know how to do that we just come on in you know I'm hard on myself I want to come in to clean that up I want to fix it yeah so that's what I'm saying I recruits more now than ever because it's so easy to just run on the mighty high and just and start slipping yeah yeah so what I work hard on the little edge that I have will not you know trying to lose in explaining and still and so and and and in the mist that I'm still getting my work phone I work at a local man this I never did this before and that tried books love an old show Morgan okay look well we go ahead to someone taking a different direction okay when I ask about something at work okay I I wonder about mmhm you know the JGB is an institution it's a it's a picture in American music that's it it just is yeah when Garcia passed was was it difficult for you to decide to keep that thing going man it took a minute to figure it out %HESITATION I had star interview I don't know the interview but I do know it was Scott well I saw your interview that someone in the future and I remember Pacific Lee asking Jerry what do you think and he's not afraid to take what do you think music would be like in your car and I remember him saying I would like to believe this music program on beyond me much beyond it the music will continue all I remember that and and so when Jerry passed what happened great food and had a meeting and decide it's we've given day so and a lot of folks that was working stop working for even Bob where I think they all stop working for a while sh and I thought about what year you said that this should be one so I think six months after his passing tron conduit which was the base where %HESITATION got a hold to a few pixels it was written Regeni one gig in Santa Cruz caught look at the and he acts all surviving members and some new people to if they wanted to well to these kids and go out and do similar %HESITATION but you know Jerick did it because we've all said yes N. and we did it and and I saw the look on people's faces almost cried so much sorry they wanted they wanted to hear these songs but it's still tough for and what John did he did very few of the songs that we did what you're gonna see it but what he did was songs that Jerry would it easily dot right the material but I guess he tried to stay away from %HESITATION you know the harder they come stop that train cats and the stores we did songs that was just that he could easily brought to Gerry I can see Jerry Saltz and so after the first night this was two nights well you know again walking out the door price anywhere like I used to do you want to start that it does not mean it is done one is injured and again we do have a bunch of material that wasn't quite what Jerry did and the second I've no we really want isn't it well it was about four months after that John dot best performance at the cherry well I know that after that you're after that we'll skip right we were going to go on tour as Duncan so after that that's when that hit me again Jerry it's set and I was just trying to put something together and call it should be I was thinking to put a band together and go out as tribute a tribute to Jerry but there are agencies that notice color JGB disco duro JG squadron as well you know I don't want the state to sue me and there were a lot of things going on that time and we know all about it yeah and so I %HESITATION I did run a title search to make sure that you know I could do this in and the only name that popped up was a Brimble blind organization out in New York that was said the admissions of JGB so I was able to secure the name that I would get trouble because bill Graham it wasn't always jury because it was the nation's J. degree so I was doing that in the new year old rant a lot of trouble behind that because people just feel like you're ripping off share your ripping off the naming of so that's when I just say well let me put Melvin seals and front and and Melvin seals and JGB so you know this %HESITATION because only different this is not the Jerry Garcia band as you knew it and so all of that came from of remembering what Jerry said how he thought and he would believe that like to believe that music will live on or via and that's where the inspiration come huge to do it trust me it was no was not a holiday in which ran up against a lot of trouble trying to do this music just being hit in the face with a lot of stuff peoples with Pacific we come to a show and stand in front of the stage that there are problems and making sure you see them and showing no love for doing this I am not %HESITATION that was early on it was early on yes and if it does let me know me who it is I'll take care of every now now now it welcome and and and appreciate it but it still is no where on the level of the Jerry Garcia band it's what's finances and things that were available it's still a struggle but the love of the music yep I loved music more now that I think I did because I didn't understand what I was a part out when I was a fighter oh wow that's that's a mouthful right there man I think well youth is wasted on the young you know well how do you know you you you've heard some of my interviews I don't know who Jerry what's right I knew nothing about I knew the name Grateful Dead you know because I live in San Francisco and you know you just know the name your order you whenever they play in the U. here what goes on at all that but I didn't know what was or anything for a long time even when I was playing with my students get it I didn't get it until later %HESITATION looking around and just getting bigger and bigger and you know watching this thing get bigger you know what what made so I just yeah but but I guess what I should say to Ty that all up the icon on stage was Jerry Jerry was who they came to C. N. lo some Jerry and so I guess some of the things that I'm seeing bye for instance I didn't know the lyrics to songs some words Jay was saying that you know I I knew the song I could play the song but I don't know what was the story the stories behind all those storms story at Ruben sure Reese right but when I had to go out and recreate ju ju be I had to learn more about what I'm doing to teach the other guitar player what %HESITATION so I had to learn what I've never had to learn playing with Jerry because I just played my part no there's no I went on stage we have to play this right you took you took the mantle what active shift that is evil educate yourself in order to educate the yeah the lead one out well how did you go about that you know I'm still thirteen men learning that stuff you know even though I do it but I'm I'm forever learning more about each so before apple asses question one last thing about this what because you're learning that stuff what what's your take in what do you think about these lyrics and how they weave these different kind of there alive yeah these these lyrics to create these stories that can make you feel something you know when you're twenty and then when you're thirty and fifty and you know like it grows with you and it it changes it stays the same it's it almost is you know when you do read the Bible you can read it when you're going through a hard time and it you know gives you hope you can read it when you're upset and it sets you straight later what what's what's your take on the lyrics and and how they you know kind of weave these stories throughout the you know the whole time well I mean it's it's it's it's it's in the lyrics that mean for for every young I shall be at least sitting here in limbo this story you know and and there's just so many stories behind these titles since %HESITATION that when you start learning what it meant Rubens juries I have no idea of the love story of the ruinous res and quite a few others so now I'm stuck okay it's so different your eyes opening win when you play the song I played the song from a musical standpoint if you %HESITATION making sure I'm playing at the best of my ability but now you know the story itself you're adding color wow yes how did that change how you played a little bit with that after you're right I think I played totally different from my idea when I was with Jerry I held back a lot because of the pout wasn't about me so it was all about Jerry and so if you notice I didn't play solo artist but if there's a way to try to come up big but only maybe did a couple bars around and that was it I got back in my place Jerry went on on now I work out a lot more because there's no Jerry on stage even though we have John F. at other people I'm about to play a lot more than I was Dan and I just had to step out more and should get more then I felt I had to Jerry and maybe he would welcome that but I I just never offered well what what what I was gonna ask you need to set the words of a song on your home page %HESITATION just looking at it sounds like you're working on a new project in the mix well the mix was a project that we did %HESITATION %HESITATION sh yeah sherry that's all okay yes %HESITATION it's %HESITATION I am now going to put out a current record %HESITATION what I've learned everything that I've described to you the colors of standing music better the the temples and what makes people cry what is the most make them smile and dance like they're crazy I'm studying people I'm looking at them as we're doing songs and I'd see the mood changes from song to song and so now I want to approach not necessarily re record those songs was similar material that I think how I watch folks start Dancin strong most heard song and it is a big snow at square one I speak my own evaluation observation so I am now taking a more qualified when I did the mix and if the other things I was just young and didn't know what I was doing I think I I think that stands out okay okay well that answers my question is okay what else are you working on that kind of answer to what you guys do and I am year going to put out some records I've always wanted to Chris yes I wanted an image you think about it %HESITATION almost every instrument guitar saxophone piano %HESITATION also things are done instrumental Christmas record if you haven't heard too much from Oregon if you have an estimate one something that any did any other jazz style but I have a little bit of a class co operate background that I want to do that ask them like the anthem was written but orchestration around the organ so the project but this is something this is a bucket list I want to do I can't wait to hear Melvin so I I I yeah I gotta just thanks man I just think you know this man and and just thank you for what you do just hi well I you know even like how you do it really yeah that's it's how you do it we were speaking with Jennifer Hart's week yesterday and %HESITATION she we start talking about you know the beacon jams when they were doing that and how they had to play to a black you know to the wall the wall and that she was put in that energy out her trumpet just putting it out there and you know some some EM musicians will talk about that energetic aspect but not everybody so for it to be here at the forefront of what you do and you're not only willing to talk about it but that's it that's what it is I'm I'm I'm so grateful to be alive in a time when you're here still putting that kind of energy out it's so like we were said earlier it's needed and it's it's like manna it's food for the soul it's food for the years it moved further thank the community and I just want to thank you for making my cheeks hurt this afternoon %HESITATION smiling yes and it really just makes me look forward to more to skull and roses and I hope I can give you a hug if if you'll accept it what again men from bottom of my heart thanks man you've been the organ player to some of the most important moments of my life and %HESITATION in order to talk to your brother thank you so much meant Preciado everything look important you take all right bye bye bye let that one soak in a minute folks talk about icons talk about bringing tears to the eyes this is all throughout that day and the shit we got another another's apple I thought about you guys another for yet another first do you guys remember the movie you're prepared Mel probably doesn't Mr mom yeah Michael Keaton do you remember the kid had a will be yes okay do you remember when he got rid of the will be in the movie and the kid was like I need a mom can I have a model you need to yeah I need to mobilise near unbeatable are you okay yeah exactly okay so I need a moment to moment to myself that's how I feel after that interview can I have a moment to myself please that was that was heavy I I mean I I went into it knowing that Melvin was gonna be very happy yeah yeah but I did see you know what he reminded me of your dad no B. S. straight answers that's what it is it's not like we I kind of thought about this may be a little bit no it's this is what happened that's yeah he but he knows who he is and why it went down to work there's a certain %HESITATION Genentech were well it's a it's a confidence but it that's not really the right word either but it's called presents it's a knowing of yourself is where I'm coming from is like you know yourself so well it's it's not up for debate it's not like you're still searching it's this is who I am as competent yeah yeah that's when they get home a little deeper than competent but it's that that's what it is yeah it's amazing the dough to hear the story gives a better understanding than wow that's a that's amazing right now he's like so disconnected but not from the music lake and such observers here that project is working on now is like I'm observing people and like that's gonna be amazing and he stole Christmas album Melvin seals Christmas out on the road that's going to be that's going to be the that's where Frank Sinatra is always been my favorite Christmas music that's gonna be right in there with Frank white I I remember C. N. J. G. B. at the Warfield for the first time I saw two or three jury shows there mmhm with Melvin N. I before we went to the show I had the the first time I heard people saying like %HESITATION yeah the Grateful Dead shows a party and the jury band is church and I was like yeah whatever it's all party and then I went it's different I was sitting in the balcony of the Warfield watching N. I felt that thing it like whatever that spirit five whatever you wanna call it whatever that is and it literally took my breath away like I could I I had trouble breathing like my heart was in my chest all my like my arms are completely covered airs Sunday and the you know Hey holy shit I'm in the presence of something bigger than the sum of the parts that are in this room man it's it's rentable I thank you because you are married is barely got me in the Grateful Dead then you're like dude let's let's go up to shoreline pop in the bus and go to shore line you got to see Jerry Garcia band and %HESITATION it was it was like a wall gonna see dental error ten company years and years later we're going to see the Grateful Dead again pretty soon why you know what what the you're like you just you when he really you were just like the two per gallon and it's okay and we went and it was I remember seeing Hey I remember him coming out on stage in shorts %HESITATION be losing their shit it's plain that they like Terry Jr does we're sure glad heart and then I remember that I remember is he cried Grateful Dead shows to a different kind of joyous party crime but that was like soulful I remember just looking around airbag weeping on some of those songs or anything and then when he closed it out with the what a Wonderful World what a Wonderful World and the entire place which we're all just looking each other in hugging each other she is strict nobody was even trying to hide it or wipe their eyes it was just cheers to not remain down everybody's basins that's my like if somebody's like what's your favorite song ever that's my favorite song ever you know and not that like not that version or whatever help up even before that yeah but before we had we tie yeah before that that Louis Armstrong like that that power of that song what it said but I had I had heard that song a million times it was my favorite song that song changed the meaning of that song changed forever that day I heard a different and I'll never hear the same way again ever ask from that day it that stuff is you know he's carrying on the legacy of a whatever the thing is the JGB does and %HESITATION it's it's a powerful machine nothing and %HESITATION it really does it moved and now after talking to on the way he's carrying around with such admiration and respect for himself Jerry the music everything everything before everything coming in late he nobody no we can do it like melted so %HESITATION the the show's not over we're going to continue going so we're gonna we're gonna do hopscotch right now I'm gonna go first ready one two three my turn no I did it no no don't we hopscotch jump play time's over Chinese tax nope okay is that a thing yes you read that I was a thing in school there the little rings all hooked together instead of jacks there was a time that was those are highly collectible thing yeah people you got tents okay back up yeah we just talked to Melvin seals yeah what yes we did I mean the hospital we're talking about Chinese jacks but the hell congratulations guys for getting for landing Melvin seals well yeah that's a big deal okay yeah some jobs after I think sometimes %HESITATION all of us all three of us realize don't realize it like sometimes it's hard to get the people that we have on the show and it's %HESITATION good luck well we killed it full disclosure I will there we know about the disclosure Dennis did aspect now is but what I'm saying is no matter what we got to do it yeah that's what I'm saying like it happened yeah it is a this is a life moment well that's why I was simply congratulations it's a big deal you guys of and I'm saying you guys well but I haven't had the long pedigree with the dead you know okay I like that so like for you guys it's a little bit different than it is for Allen with Gary that's what that's what I'm saying like it's it's a huge deal for all dead fan an old school dead fan versus somebody who came in later on you know there is like I went to a lot of dead shows and there is a lot of the shows that I went to that just have like all rolled into one kind of sort of thing easy for that to happen and but there are certain there's certain ones that stand out in my memory like I remember my first show and I remember seeing a show at Irvine meadows amphitheatre that like the night I saw the show so spun and %HESITATION it was the greatest musical experience ever that night and like I was so high when the show ended and I had to drive my sixty six Chevy impala from Irvine meadows back to the valley but you would have never done that while you are high no never and then %HESITATION I remember that the car drove itself that car to drive to the basket was I had a mmhm and then another leg great memory is once in the Jerry Garcia band for the very first time at the Warfield N. having that understanding of like %HESITATION a dead shows a party a Jerry shows church thank I didn't I heard that all through my coming up and never really like didn't fully understand what their friends and that night at the Warfield like it I got it and then %HESITATION seeing the jury band at shoreline with just the sun going down behind the amphitheater and like that was nice interest I went on that one that that was in the VW bus and that was a long drive when we went to go and I remember we went to the redwoods where we draw we drove to the coast after and hi yeah okay afterwards we went to visit my sister and everything in Tracy that's right and then we went to the show and then we went to redwoods and Parker Basra because you can't camp at the redwoods on the lead it was it was big Sir not the redwoods I'm sorry Sir yes sorry Big Sur there was there was two Koreas in redwood but I remember sneaking down the beach and sleeping on the be waking up in the morning and I was I was all curled up against a log and there is like those carpenter ants that are like almost an inch long crawling all over me and I didn't freak out woke up in the way I was like I had dreams of being with the aunts and then we were walking back to the the bus business spider in there there's a brown recluse in my hair yeah hanging out my hair like there's a spider and somebody was walking with was so that was like bro be still that's a brown recluse no I was just like oh cool he got him out of my hair and that that was trippy trip yeah sorry I digress insect trip no but those those Jerry shows men like I wish that there was some way to like impart the the magnitude of those experiences to people like yes it is going in seeing Melvin N. N. John K. do J. G. B. is transcendental it's as close as you're going to get to the real thing period but those the there was a magic that to this day man it's it's I can't even like you can't I can't even talk about it there I'd like there's it's like trying to explain what DM tea is ready it's like trying to explain going to a Grateful Dead show and somebody is never bet it this thing is something that cannot be explained you have to experience yep it's it's well I think that's what we're doing with the shows were trying to translate our joy of being fans and going to shows and being able to speak with these people that we love and respect and that bring us these feelings that's why people say that they enjoy the show and like it feels good we can't ever give it to them but we can share and we can also wire like we always talk about the the power that was created is still ripple or L. were all writing those ripples that are going to go on forever it was created by Jerry and grateful that area and it's it's such a special thing man like you know it if you're going to concerts all the time it can it can get lost in the in the sauce a little bit like if you're just going to shows it's no big deal N. it just be comes another show another day but don't get it twisted man it's what we're doing out there at those shows and and what we're experiencing is another level of human existence like it's transformative on a really personal real level an even after thirty three years of being on the bus it still gives me butterflies in my stomach to think about to think about it and like I still want to go tour and follow band yeah I still I haven't had enough you know what I mean and it's been a lifetime's worth of stuff N. I used to wonder like do musicians ever get burned out on the music that they're plainly did Jerry in the guys ever get up on the stage and like we go another fucking feel like a stranger the name of black magic there was nice but I'm talking about on the whole like home could you ever like feel all one way or another you have to have the sentry like hell yeah I feel like a stranger again and the local eleven stranger on loan you know it because everybody's like moody yeah human condition is roller coaster but that's the great thing with Bailey what we like to talk about what the US one sometimes one of us is funky and the other to pick it up or one of his picks the other two up just like bands yep you hear bands Ollie I've never heard that the Grateful Dead a lot of bands out there they'll put out a new album and they're doing a new tour nobody wants to hear that hit from four years ago it's like okay Radiohead creep yeah yeah late late late O. okay guys we get it but now we have so much more and we're we're somewhere else now yeah I I just the it was just really impressed on me this this last weekend when we went to show that like what we are experiencing and what we're involved in is magic console power at the high yeah at the lake deepest part of being what it means to be human being that's like conscious and alive on planet earth at this moment in time in an if you think about the society that we live in and and the culture that were part of like everything that we're in is designed to disconnect us from each other if you're watching television it's a solo adventure even if you're in sitting in a room with somebody else we computers divide us social media has invited us even though it brings us together and also divide there's this weird duality that's going on all the time and if you think about what happens at a show and the energy that is created just simply by a group of people all focusing on one thing together at the same time N. having joy an abandoned in that that's power and that's where that's where human beings have been finding power since the beginning of time you know what I mean we've been gathering together around fire banging slain oxen and move making those those sounds making us move in raising our voices and getting insane other India and that's how history was capped before there is even writing yes through bursts of song and music and everything and like Mel and I were having a conversation today it's like you know nowadays everything is over done right thank well I mean okay you can't we can never say that completes every fall we got a call what we are and what in reference what we were talking about is like like I recall when I was growing up and watching say like a movie on TV like if it was rated R. the Racine is that you would see is like maybe two people underneath like the covers like you know rolling around you never saw like the woman's boobs you never ever saw the man's package and it was always like hidden you know like there was some element of of an you know mystery mystery unless you're watching straight up porn then you get to see everything so there was like levels of things that you were able to access but now with the internet you can access anything at any time to any degree and you know of course it's what you do with it you can go looking for those things but also sometimes you do stumble upon them because like act like maybe you type in something that you didn't know that was a tagline for something and then you you accidentally look up something that you didn't need to look up and so what we were saying was like because of like this Overton nature of everything is like you know so over accessible over done it seems as if the Mr the the mystique and the interests and the excitement has kind of like drained out of it a little bit you know if you it's kind of like not appreciating your partner for forty years you've seen them for forty years so you kinda like forget how beautiful they were or it's the constant exposure takes away the specialness and sometimes we need to recapture that right and that's what I'm getting at is like a lot of us especially I buy would imagine a lot of listeners of the show we goes we see a lot of shows yeah you know what I mean N. you got to stop for a minute and like remember that first show that you went to an how exciting it was to get turned on N. and think about like what is actually happening in in a world that we're in today of like where everything is over done and over blown in and you can see and do lots of things you can fucking eat anything and fuck anything and drink anything and C. N. it like that then you've seen everything yeah there's not a lot of surprises anymore the shock that place that we get to go together we do not know what's going to happen anything can happen in that space and and you're having real visceral spiritual experiences at the show I like to think to like you said think about the first show you went to I never think about any shows that I've gone to and I'm going to show I I just go clean and like what's gonna happen that's another way to to go forward lake don't expect to see the same shit or to have the same feeling because you'll disappoint yourself go fresh and like yes this I'm gonna have a music experience I don't know what it's going to be I just know it's going to be a mess that's exactly what I mean by saying that remembering that first show that you went to and the excitement that you had afterwards hold on to that and bring it with you to the next one might be as excited for this one as you were for the first you know what I mean because we don't know what's going to happen it can it's new every single time it's it is you're gonna have fun at the inner anything not even a show with no expectation and I will go see bands four nights in a row and people you're going to go see the same band four nights in a row I I very much used to think that way too you already saw them what's there to see again so so tell me tell me now what is there to see you again why we doing four nights a fish well fish's special I don't know that I would see like and I don't want to I'm not going to see any bands names I don't know that I would see a lot of Mary many bands multiple nights in a row I don't know that I would do that at lake like go out of my way to do that if it was a very easy thing like if it was at a festival the same band was playing every night yeah of course but White wide but there's not a lot of bands doing that either yeah there's not a lot of why because each night is different and it builds on them the previous night especially when it's in like you know that MSG or you know multiple nights at the gorge or something like that like each night builds on the last night's energy and based on that certain band fish lake it yes if you just look at it blindly like okay they're playing instruments and they're singing songs but the feelings that you get and the feeling of the crowd and the environment that it's in all add a certain chemistry in addition to your chemistry and so it's never the same so that's that's how I feel about fish but like I don't necessarily I I don't know that I could say that about many other bands in that same light enough that it doesn't happen and that's just not Mel's opinion well maybe I mean the other bands don't really like it and had a great love that or like %HESITATION I know during Jesus does a wide and like there's multiple bands that are like that I'm just saying personally I don't know that many bands that I want I would embrace a Grateful Dead created something that like no other bands really half it's only it's like we can because we are it's like super geek fans in a way they created something it's a badge of honor to be at certain shows it's like collecting cards I would like people say oh I seen sauntered song and change shows the eight with a live fish community and like the Grateful Dead community it it's it's it's a game it's an exchange it says that it's a secret club it is like like forty eight in sport to to go and be like I'm doing four nights and you know MSG or I'm doing the whole run a Baker's dozen %HESITATION feels like I ran a marathon it is over it's it's like a sport you know that's you know the songs you know the players remember where it did it when we were at Dixon we saw that we saw that they have a checker picture the court she had she had the Baker's dozen jacket that had all thirteen patches on it and everybody that saw that everybody was like quite hard that she was wearing like the ultimate trophy like us at all thirteen shows that's right I was totally cool about it too like yeah I was looking to see she's still at Dick's team more shows so you know what it's well in the end it's amazing yesterday that was that's my point in bringing any of this up is like look man here's another thing Miller we're talking about today is like everything is so rushed thank you if you if you're grieving it's like hurry up and get over it and move on if if you hurt your toe it's a hurry up and he'll see you can get better if you're trying to lose weight hurry up and lose weight so you can be skinny like everything's a fucking rush not the the product I was thinking about like specifically def I was thinking about lake there's a lot in the within the last couple years a lot of people have died a lot of celebrities people's parents husbands like so much and I remember when again like when when I was younger I was just mentioning a little bit ago about the movies like when I was younger somebody died that was a huge deal lake there was a a morning and like almost like there was a silence in life for this person now it's like I'm sorry your your husband's dead but my great my father died so you know okay my or my sister died like %HESITATION and it just seems so again hurried and rushed and we don't have this opportunity to feel the feels we have to it happened let's get over it next next to go to work on their number and so it it's one of those feelings that it you don't really get to process everything fully right and so my our conversation was like you know and we've said this on the show a bunch like Kovin in the last two years the we've all been through a lot man and trying to hurry up through it to just feel better and get back out like no it's okay if you don't feel okay right now it's cool man like you're allowed an here's the here's the cool part of it is that like now that live music is back we can take that silence that we were in and start to move out of it with intention and like not just like help fucking big phase back open noon stuff my plate like go back with like intention in your heart and like gratitude for being able to to do this together order really take your time if like if you don't feel like going out let us do it and listen to us and don't feel that pressure laborious going back out and maybe you're not fucking ready to be around thousands of people yet maybe it's been really hard to be alone and now thrown in with all these people even if that may be what you need to kind of just get over it take your time be gentle with yourself that's really my thought in my message is what I was thinking about like when these hard things happen and we have to kind of like the rush to to do the next thing you know like be gentle maybe don't book the whole run maybe book one night and see how you feel it's okay to live with a little musical regret you'll have more people to see yeah you know lake that's I guess that's just from from Mel's lake don't say that's from an outfit Erin an apple that's just like take your time and and feel good about what you're doing here and I feel it too like don't like rush through it Blake man this was a really good the the the ticket buying experience the putting your group together %HESITATION the who's gonna go that night your outfit you're like how you're going to get there like you know the pictures that you take like maybe take everything in instead of rushing through all that you've you know used to do we don't have to do what we sense that something they going through this the the whatever you wanna call the last two years we've talked about this is it it's taught most people what's important one thing that's very important is to slow down and enjoy the time you have on this spinning ball I feel like that slow down is it really we were forced to slow down we were forced to stop yes so there's no need need to now that things are getting better get to rush out there like make up for lost time or anything it it it's treat everything like you're saying yeah yourself it others everything precious Lee and then we need not only we never are gonna hopefully have another opportunity in our lives for all of this to be brand new again after this this hopefully is the last time that all this gets to be brand new again and so powerful the power built while it was stopped and so I guess that's kind of my PSA or whatever is like let's treat this thing with the respect that it deserves man like what Melvin is doing out there that's church and you know the shows are our congregation and I mean that's just my perspective and viewpoint and whatever for whatever it's worth but hello a little gratitude intention go a long fucking way man and we can move mountains as a community and %HESITATION I've seen it I see it all the time so just a gentle reminder from your fellow freaks admissible road data let's go out there and and treat this thing that we love doing with the respect that it deserves because it is not the it is not granted to us it is not for granted so it's it can be gone what they're just fun to intention just go have a good time to everything out of the water like look sometimes a glasses or a cuppa tea doesn't have to fucking have the bells and whistles you Smith one of fucking tea bag in hot water you know so throw away everything we also said and throw caution to the wind and just go have a fucking good time to do what you want to do yeah like try to directly I don't want anybody to you like always wanted to go bungee jumping or sky diving and now I feel like now is the time and that's your thing do it yeah how fun don't put stuff up we only have so long what does like a spaceman an athlete's job to do bump the K. off a guy named trees dreadlocks go for it yeah just be respectful around children there is a lot of the shows yeah but a all the others which is very you know Erin and I went to lunch and was being very reflective and just thinking about a lot of different things and just topics that come up in you know it's it's hard for us it's hard not to talk about music and concerts and festivals in our life because it's our life eighty percent of our life you know and so it's that's what our vacations yeah it's like the lens that we look through you know so well I think a lot of people that listen have that same land yes so we're just give our you know thoughts and ideas and you know opinions but honestly they they change because sometimes I feel like fuck it fuck intention I just want to go have fun that's it and I'm not calling for my intention I just want to have fun you know like it's good to review its look it's it's it's both sides yes yes and it's good to remember that shit %HESITATION of course that shit you know hi it's good to be reminded me crazy sometimes yeah yeah man look the thoughts and opinions expressed are noticeably road do not necessarily reflect the of don that's the truth yeah change quickly I definitely have changed a lot a single word can move this ship of fog long way off course so yeah I like this they were always progressing and that was the same person they were last week you know but nobody home no no no the dude okay we want to get deep what does that even mean because last week doesn't exist all there is is right now what's with today today exactly right now all right now H. later just a second ago I thought you're an asshole but now I think that's pretty cool I think it's J. nothing not examine point halftime so %HESITATION last but not least I want to say a heartfelt thank you to all the people that sent thoughts and good wishes and prayers to Darwin Darwin is the silent member of no simple road well not not always not always silent but at least yeah %HESITATION yeah but he I'm Friday night before the pigeon show he ran to go meet some friends in the drive way and really fucked his leg up and he's a big a hundred and thirty whatever pound mastiff shepherd to six thirty and he we have a big dog like that is limping and can't walk it's a thing about it yeah anybody out there the big dog another specially a big dog get older they they're well they're they're like us that my whole do you still think you're poppers yeah hello yeah you're poppers and can get crazy and and it's tough like it seeing him like that and seeing it on his face like you could see that he hasn't right it was written all over his face and just thank you guys so much for all the support and love and comments in on Instagram yeah I just I want to say I really appreciated that because I I put it up there and I I took time to make a story because I wanted like Darwin's image to be in whoever's was looking at that over and over in different versions because it it does help to kind of send energy and so I I did it on purpose I really did and seeing a cute picture you're gonna just automatically send like a Q. vibe like %HESITATION and I swear I feel like it hello I do too that's why and so I I am I posted another on my page %HESITATION just saying thank you and you know send a little video so don't ever think that the positive energy of isn't enough it really really reaches through and penetrates through walls %HESITATION time and space yep and he is I would say fifty five to sixty percent better than good sixty because he's been putting some weight on that leg where he couldn't do it at all but I want to give a special shout out to BJ because PJ hit me up out of the blue the other day to ask how Darwin was after he saw your post and then he's checked on him again today like I always we've had multiple people do that so P. J. Cody DNA I'm broke and like I said he is the silent but deadly member of like what you guys don't know or ever see %HESITATION even on the you tube and stuff is that he's in the room with us every time we do an inner he's always lane and closer to us yet and his energy is part of the show yeah it is and and part of no simple road in everything that we do and he was an original of there are original logo logo that Mike did from wicked awesome did for us so just it means a lot to you guys care care gave him support and he felt it and he's getting better and the vet is actually coming to the house on Friday to give a once over because he's insane and you can't take into regular veterinary kill everybody so welcome to the house a little bit of an exact date so what's the big idea it's like a horror like a like a whore you get usually have a bad come out to take care of horses he is a horse yeah for sure please log thanks you guys you're you're an awesome community and we appreciate you and %HESITATION I once one last thing get your tickets for stone roses miss Colin Rosenbaum hang hole in the road you tickets get your outfits get your dancing partners get all the stuff that you know I like to mention this to you if you guys weren't aware of it it's on the beach you never sent G. M. alt well there is definitely a beach yeah I had just one stress that again thanks thanks for letting everybody know it's on the beach out we talked about that before I don't get real excited about the beach but in all different when you're down there at school and roses yeah so cool I'm getting the right guys we're gonna we're gonna ski that'll we'll talk about a week next week we will have a a couple really good episodes for you next week we're gonna have %HESITATION Jeremy from pigeons playing ping pong and what's the other one we're doing Jennifer no no %HESITATION club the elf Michael hard microphone again S. L. U. all my god you guys in the I haven't heard a club delve paired start doing homework now you won't be disappointed well listen I was gonna say in the same vein where Melvin said that he's only told the story once Mike also says the same exact thing about a story that he talks about in his heavy yeah it is so one is so grateful that the he felt open enough same thing with Melvin that he felt open enough to share that and to when people say that and they haven't shared something there's power behind it for the first time so really take that in because that interview with Mike it left us speechless at the end we were kind of like an all yeah and and then his music he sent us that has been playing his instrument on the beach and it was like a blessing so can't wait till all y'all here's our full person so is it club Delph stay tuned for more good stuff next week we will be back with more stuff and things remember you guys take care of each other yeah written and smile at a stranger I was so excited %HESITATION without further ado no so Perot gives you the end of the show yeah you did it it is did yeah hello one another love yourself because thank you