Without further ado the No Simple Road Crew gives you Jeremy Schon of Pigeon Playing Ping Pong
...I will shower though hopefully this evening today you know I I've got two goals now in life %HESITATION yeah like maybe I'll get to eat some food that's actually mine and not a kids shower. six months that's still not a problem yet yeah yeah it's I don't eat her food fortunately I think okay gotcha and she tries to eat anything that's in front of her but what's your name Jeremy a little little congratulations on being the new Papa thank you I appreciate it that's rad Jeremy how's it going %HESITATION yeah and I don't L. %HESITATION milk thank yes rabbit yeah there's usually one other that we have there's three of us is named apple but he manages to dispensaries and he couldn't get off work so it is all right yeah he was bombed so he says hello %HESITATION I love that picture by the way that you had as your default when you when you first part thanks that's awesome thank you what pictures it it's like the one with your hair yeah that's me I'm a better days when you shower probably did show that they're overrated Jeremy it's really nothing that new because touring right I yes it's in the past like yeah maybe get two showers a week's yes well well borrowed man thank you for agreeing to do this we've been wanting to have you on for a while because we just well first of all you you're so talented in your band is incredible and so much fun and we just wanted to you know have our audience could hear your story and you know you're you're at roots and all that so thanks again for coming on %HESITATION I really appreciate it yeah Jeremy you know like pigeons for us it it's super special man because like we have a pretty big crew up here in Portland and a lot of them we met at your show yeah %HESITATION yeah and %HESITATION so it's like you know it's a special family time to go see pigeon and %HESITATION yeah man it's it's super awesome and you're coming up in March yeah yeah yeah with the Corinne is opening for you guys yep we ran a right man opening that tour she's got a really fun band and %HESITATION yeah I'm excited to do a lot of shows there yeah man she is she something else and that have you have you guys ever played the crystal before we have not played the crystal ballroom yet we've done a few shows it I believe the wonder ball yeah no zero is really fun and I guess crystal ballroom is the next logical step to insta it's a male I thought I was gonna ask since the baby's only six months have is this a kind of the first tour that you've done since having her that you'll be you know the way instead not it's a longer store okay but I mean when she what we did our first shows when she was about two weeks we did %HESITATION a show in Camden New Jersey and Sean buffalo so it's only two nights and then you weekends in October and then a two and a half week run from Halloween until mid October so has having the kids like change how you feel about going out you don't I have more I mean ever since like getting a dog you now have you kid you know I have more more draw not too compared to I have more drawn to be home and like you know it's I have more like reason to be you know in the past before you know like me and my wife we've always had a great balance gather that works really well for us he creates a natural balance which in in over the pandemic when you're together nonstop for almost two years now things are great yeah sports not a needed thing but like you know we were we're very accustomed to that she got her space and I want to or I do my thing when I went to work and it works really nicely you know something we knew we've been together for ten years okay yeah we this is part of the plant from the deck right off and %HESITATION when I mean I used to love I mean I I still I love being out actually love it's it's my Zen you know and how how do you say that it's yours very first reaction I've ever heard said yeah yeah I don't know it's you know I get to go out every night we were on tour we play music for people who are excited to watch us play yeah you know and we get to feed off their energy you know it in this in this whole interchange like immediate strangely mais et you know it's I know it's it's it's crucial to me it's essential to I would probably almost you know I get it normally when I'm off tour you know and prior to the pandemic you know I get home tore in me my wife we go see live music okay and that was how we get things going to help yeah and we go see live music and I'm a bit really begin skiing and you know live music and skiing are and also hiking those are like three thank those %HESITATION yeah live music and seeing her and I cannot dream big things that like keep me like ground isn't saying you know it also family yes that includes us and yeah that's a big one but as far as activities yeah and %HESITATION you know I mean we've been trying for so long now that I mean it's very much it's very dialed in you know obviously there's the stressful moments there's the moments where everything goes wrong and but you know we've learned how to handle those moments really well over the past ten plus years of torque and you know it's it's really fun being on the road with your best friends are playing music every night yeah it's something yeah you know we plug from the get go you know now it's like a strange their job you know it's like it still doesn't feel like a job just congratulations on that point right there man that you've created a sustainable career where you get to hang out with your friends and while you're doing that you get to bless everybody else that's as hashtag life goals Burrill lake that's really a beautiful place to come to I appreciate it and I feel I feel really really lucky you know in that regard you know I mean I never I know I'm I'm not the one who sets are big goals yeah I have like small really easily achieve right now I'm showing yeah the low expectations guys and you know I'm like well I hope ten people show up to the show and the thousand people there you know because to me it's like when you go into something with high expectations you can get let down and I don't I don't I don't like being left out you know and it's not worth like going to show that %HESITATION you know this can be totally two thousand people there in the one thousand people show up your bum yes a thousand people is amazing should be and I am ecstatic with thousand people out show you know and %HESITATION it was three thousand people showed autumn it's completely insane you know it's it's something that you and your special over the past two years you know people I feel like they've really done a lot of perspective on that and got to see like %HESITATION you know life without live music this is this is this is different this is tough this is and it's tough it's not sustainable for I and I totally get it yeah I am that's our last minute out yes we do know all sorts of random old hobbies you know that I was okay what can I do to occupy myself but I could work on don't best they could I wrote a lot of music that was the best thing okay that and like time with my family with the two best things to come out we have a family first and then the music that came that whole thing two years man it I don't know about you but like it never even occurred to me that that could be a thing that we could not have music and not be doing what we loved to do all the time and when it was taken away it was a it's an identity shaker it really like at least for me it made me like really question everything and get back to the reason why I even bothered going to shows in the first place or doing this or or any of it Anna it was it it was scary at times I mean did you go through any of that hundred percent no I my I mean I am so rooted in live music that's my career my hobby you know and my side careers as well as like I really love the music world you know all the different aspects of it you know and you know my obviously my big focus is %HESITATION our agents plain paper but then our men and don't test which is our annual festival and you know that's what I that's been my focus pretty intensely for the past ten years you know I mean towards the early part of that like I don't remember when I had other jobs because it had like a bills no words only in the past like six or seven years you know that's become like by full time thing and and you know I have so many other areas that are you know I've dabbled in the music industry other booking other promotion do you build stages in stocks and all these things that I've always done like all my little side gigs all the grout revolved around live music and when all that stopped I did not do it was yeah hi I just wasn't prepared you know eyes as so many of us weren't knows just I know as you said you said it perfectly I never thought that could happen that wasn't even a thought there's all the other are in my mind of what can go wrong you know everything everything's over whatever but I never thought of a pandemic no music so really glad we're moving out of that yeah yes not yet about one block to please it enough's enough Blake yeah I don't even like talking about it you know I am glad that you said that because it's so hard because it's referring to your new single it's the elephant in the room that nobody wants to talk about like genuinely like not because like %HESITATION it's hard to talk about the like fuckin it's over no it just let it pass you know but it's still kind of lingering in his last two years of our life exactly so it so it's still very relevant and it's just kind of hard to like ignore it you know a hundred percent because like you mentioned you've created a lot of music during this time and so have a lot of other musicians that we've talked to and that's probably been one of the biggest accomplishments I would say that people like finishing up you know things that they have kind of had like in the wings but didn't have the opportunity to like go stop and go to the recording studio or you know whatever collaborate the way they would have so it was amazing in so many ways but like what it's done to a lot of our psyches has really I mean I think that will be feeling it for for a hot minute you know even even after it's back yeah yeah I mean I I'm just said we're gonna need to yeah I mean I know it's slowly and surely coming back you know and I am so thankful for that you know I'm I'm so grateful that we got to torrent play shows and do live streams opened a pandemic you know I mean it was not an easy time for fans to get out there and like you know we were lucky enough to have stronger fan base to support our drive in a concerts and %HESITATION you're very lucky about that does because a lot of manager just dormant you know yeah end up yeah Mike said to get back out to west coast so we have to lose we're excited to man it it's like you said it's coming back N. I mean like before everything started it was I would say every week or every other week for us we are at a show and it's getting back to that it's getting back to the point where it's like shit we can't make everything and that's a good that it's all happening again and one of like Mel said one of the awesome things that happened through all of this is all the musicians that we've talked to were finishing projects or writing a bunch of new music like you guys did and what I wanna know man is like pigeons albums and live shows have always been at least for us all about fun and like family time and getting down N. I'm wondering how the experience of the last two years shaped perspective for you guys you know it undeniably had an impact you know I mean obviously we chose name perspective the reason you know because one thing that everyone has gained the past two years it's perspective you know we've gained a lot of respect for just like it it's wild to see everything just stopped you know it really just puts things in perspective and you know we we decided to pop in the studio and just laid out some songs we we had we were working on you know Elefante to was this brand new song that we were waiting to play and we're like you know we sat in a okay let's let's actually record then we'll play live after %HESITATION and we're like okay cool so we'll get to play it like maybe late twenty twenty early twenty twenty one and then a pandemic happened and I was like man is with ninety nine percent of time with every other song we've ever written you know we've always like really played it live and like road tested it developed it live as as a live song before getting into the studio so with all the funding we kind of clicked it and yeah we were really excited to get get it gone and then all of a sudden we had to wait some time still awesome yeah I had a reduced and %HESITATION and now we get to play this part %HESITATION live shows and see where the song goes no I said you know maybe maybe it'll change the way that you guys do stuff down the road I mean I wonder how when you have a record is on in the studio and you take it out on the road and road test it like is it the by the reaction of the crowd are you judging the energy of the room to to kind of shape the song it's everything you know it's it's how we feel we play it's how we keep we feel the audience responding and it's just like %HESITATION you know the movement when you place on live when you play with the band especially with patients here we have a lot of improvisation as part of a show you know you know something when you write a song sometimes every you might have every part be really specific dot every guitar note every chord and accent and rhythm you know but some songs are looser you know mmhm and the more open feeling and the more open feelings tend to develop and focus in more over time what a song that might that like I could write out that might have very specific parts will still develop over time and in a different way mmhm it might loosen up action yeah so you know and it's just no matter what like when you're playing with the band with you playing during the country whether you're playing in the garage the more you place in the tighter it's going to get yes it's going to develop you know if you listen to any live recording of any of our songs from five years ago versus this year it's gonna sound pretty different a different energy there's going to be literally different parts of the different a slight change feel like there is and %HESITATION we love that as a band you know we really enjoy seeing thank I can just experiencing our songs we develop with our crafts mmhm you know and I mean a lot of our songs we expand on tremendously in the live setting and like one might be a five minute studio song could end up being a fifteen minute chat show mmhm and those are especially fun because we'll take in a different direction from time to time or every night even I can handle I guess it makes sense to man because I mean five years ago you were a different person and the music is also an expression of who you are individually and who you guys are collectively as a band so you know it's it's all of your experience and growth also that is being channeled into that thing here you are always we %HESITATION we practice a thon as a band you know %HESITATION still went off to war and and we were on tour and you know so we're developing as Bantu constantly and also like we're also working on our own instruments on the side as well so I mean every year I mean almost every show our plane was about and I think that's a I mean I got it I think that's an exciting thing for the fans to watch Jesse the band to Cena since our college days where it's like you know things weren't very tight you know or you know because we were we just started a band that you know and it's for the few people who might have seen a stand to it now it's like it's got to be chock it up I would say citing to yeah for sure yeah but I know it's it's really fun like leading a song read on the road and seen workers you know and %HESITATION what we'll do when we have a a normal son that we play live that could be eight to twenty minutes we go to the studio will buy kind of dissect this %HESITATION and sort of almost are you rearrange it to fit the studio setting and we try to capture as much energy using studio magic in using layers at box very end like this condensing things just a make the studio song have similar or close or different energy than what people are accustomed to a lot I mean a lot of songs in this album both I mean all the men at twelve you know we played by some of the songs when people here they're gonna not eat they're gonna barely recognized the song okay yeah is %HESITATION will add new parks change the park's lad horns %HESITATION well I mean I want to give too much away when when's it come out your me so are you %HESITATION perspective comes out April eighth okay okay yeah I think this will be out before that so don't don't do it don't give anything don't give anything I don't I don't I don't know what %HESITATION %HESITATION off the record I don't know once those %HESITATION are not supposed to say well as far as like your own personal sorry say whatever you want but like the album stuff keep that I can go deep about these songs but like I don't know how much I'm supposed to say I mean %HESITATION here under so we can hear yeah nobody was really fun I mean every time we go in the studio to record an album it's it's a fun process a challenging process and %HESITATION this one was our smoothest yeah you know somehow it worked out you know we even recorded some songs that like didn't make the cut in the past that we try to record or like you know this we're not we're not doing it now but then we were we go way back and this time we're like this is heading great right who makes it is it is that like a by boat for the whole band does everybody have an equal say in what goes down on to the tracklist it's very collective between our four band members and our engineers right you know he's so give us a lot of really good feedback is more more or less our producer engineer and %HESITATION we've worked with him on the past three or four out with %HESITATION your all right so yeah this this was our fourth album we recorded okay and I looked up with him %HESITATION so he reruns right way studios in Baltimore and about ten years ago %HESITATION I heard the studio from a band called base out who is a Baltimore jam bands that is no longer really around %HESITATION they had recorded their their albums with Steve right rightly studios and I really liked his production style and the keyboard is Blake moblie got me in touch with Steve and %HESITATION we went in and recorded pleasure there like fourteen or fifteen he and %HESITATION you know we really don't have a great relationship with him the whole band you know it's it's at a live band thank you know that's kind of our focus that's where we have our phone you know that's like bread and butter you know yeah in the studio is a different challenge for us because you know you don't have an audience of parties to give you that energy so we always put a lot a lot into our studio to make up for the lack of the crap that's how do you get yourself pumped up for that you know at the because you can't go in there like you know rubbing your eyes and if you're all you got to play like it's it's the last show you ever playing the Helen showed up you got to play like everyone exactly and you know it's it really comes down to I mean we love playing music with each other you know that's why I worked at yeah you know that's why we've always enjoyed every show we've ever played no matter what the turnout no matter how crappy the menu might be we played cards eight years ago you know we loved all those gigs even when nothing worked even when no one showed up because we got to play music yeah and we love playing music you know what we have for her so it's not like we're going to work it's a we're going to go jam play music with friends and yeah we're we're gonna like work on some parts and like really like I said some things and I work hard at it but you know it's it's really fun when it comes down to it we love playing music that's why we exist that's that's what comes through man yeah that and that's what comes through that's that's what I loved first time I saw you guys is like wow you could tell that these cats really are having fun for real like this isn't they're not up there grinding this is their dignity yeah one zero three one one of our things we always like set for ourselves for the long it for since we started touring is you know we're gonna play every show like it's Madison Square Garden you know Greger senior he's from New York so that would be his top ten you know right there and you know that's that's it's only really help to you know you always got to give a hundred ten percent I never know really never know who's going to be in the crowd and completely like change the game for you even when you're playing the worst bar for ten people like one of those ten people could be the person who changes your career damn that's true %HESITATION only shit man yeah yeah you know in talking about plan like life changing venues can you tell me what it was like for you to play red rocks for the first time in red rocks was incredible he is in our inspiring venue as you guys everyone RT yes but you know it was my first time seeing error playing music there all you hadn't seen of a concert there either I know I have a ticket to see fish there in two thousand nine but couldn't go so I gave it to them to my roommate and I should just make it happen yeah it was it was my first time like my first time seeing music at red rocks was mo right after we've played better %HESITATION she was staying very surreal experience mmhm and %HESITATION it really is a special place you know when you're playing to the crowd you know you look it up that's not and it's a very unique experience as a it and then on the crowd and when I got to watch him no it's the most epic live venue Najib yeah it really is I'd love to I'd a plan to %HESITATION goes we're playing red rocks on %HESITATION may twenty six dot com while right make sure that's right you know reset say it again no close okay so we're playing red rocks on may twenty seventh you were going to call built with the motet who I loved him up to see him on the times you know play with a bunch of times one of my favorite bands and you know I I definitely plan on going to night early you go see Lisa string dusters in California honey drop while at the Austin we saw last year we saw a green sky N. right okay rotors and circles around the sun they're nice and others yeah it can and it was a full moon yeah I was raised but the thing that blew me away about red rock was your kind in the middle N. M. it really did sound like we were indoors this the sound in that place is breezy weird the acoustics of that after theater and I when you're playing on the stage are you getting that same like dealing to you is it is the sound strange down down there on the stage it sounds amazing I will say on that stage it is very well designed I don't know how much they designed a Rockwell isn't yeah it is the nominal thank you all around and %HESITATION in the audience IT it's absolutely extremely unique experience I didn't hone into much on the sound it sounded really good but I don't remember anything strange yeah okay after the fact that we were playing red rocks I was doing you started playing in the dorm well yeah I mean it it's we are being great listeners joke after like %HESITATION one of those monumental shows you know late antibodies C. I played the arena in Asheville first time played red rocks is like wow we started this a Cumberland island now we're here while it's pretty surreal how old were you when you started playing for me I started playing guitar when I was twelve it's like a musical family or you just like got the bug everyone we I guess musical family you know my mom's she's acquired director music to music teacher for kids and %HESITATION she plays piano guitar and violin in a minute as vocals my dad please cheese and trombone one and he actually a yes it is a doctor he is a band of fellow doctors that they started like probably knows like eleven years old or something like that it may be claimed forever on the road it was always normal for you then yeah you know I've definitely grew up around music that was a huge part of my life ever since I was a little kid %HESITATION right my parents attempted to get me to channel at six but I was or am Chris guitar but I I just didn't have the focus or motivation at that point but I still love music end up it was actually my dad's band was a big inspiration for me to want to learn about your guitar you know yes the nominal itar player you know back when I was eleven and twelve but beyond that you could shred like Steve vai %HESITATION wow wow you know that is cool that's what I want to do and I still haven't figured out a lot more practicing do you know I mean you always have a lot yeah but yeah that was definitely a big inspiration for me was was watching them play and that sort of really gave me finally the H. R. now I gotta gotta get ball and you know start learning guitar also started basis well and then eventually sort of taught myself some drums but I am not a very good job I couldn't shake it if I play near Alex we're after Alex would lease rightfully so Alex is a phenomenal job was amazing and probably the best driver feel so lucky that we have we're all used in the same dorm is that how you all met or like how did you it's college but how did it like you know kind of come together so me and Greg lived in Cumberland hall university Maryland we were on the same floor and we met basically through the hallway and in the first week of school and just search in cyclic and started hanging out music and %HESITATION I known banned from high school please and through a friend %HESITATION in school with and %HESITATION when when we decided you know it I met her visual drummer in our history rock class and %HESITATION we decided to try the sons of men Greg writings pistons clanking parks %HESITATION fall two thousand seven weeks per second semester of college or second sophomore year of college and %HESITATION we set I commenced well some friends who moved into a house said we could set up a log jam space in the basement dance drums %HESITATION drummer and %HESITATION we set up you know in two thousand seven and I know we didn't pay square but I knew Ben lives also lives in this house news upstairs nothing it's so obvious there's like a monogram and that's when the full band started while he's only it was %HESITATION %HESITATION again it's very natural wherein we weren't it was just fun you know and that's really what it's always been no it's we play music because we love plans right it is our careers but it's still we we do this for now and that's a really important thing to us to maintain well also man I mean it it at least for you it's not just play music you're also like putting together huge festival every year yeah that's no small thing like so you have a six month old it's C. F. family you've got bandits touring all the time and you know why not in my spare time why don't I do with all my extra moments that I have put together a festival like what was the it was the thought behind them there wasn't anything what happened it kind of happened you know %HESITATION senior year of college you know we %HESITATION we stumbled upon this venue fifteen minutes away from campus we did a really weird gatt and talked and it was great spot so close to school and that we talked to the owner he was like Hey you got to throw a party and %HESITATION we started talking and up six months later we had the first don't test well first two thousand ten in the dorms and also and up I know I never really set out to really be faster because I always wanted I mean I always love putting on shows I ran a DIY venue in high school and and go to a lot of shows in college through a music club that my roommate started Maryland musical society not but you know it's a dump us sort of just happened with me and %HESITATION one of my close friends from college and current it is you know spontaneously decide to Joseph and and %HESITATION yeah we tied in pretty heavily to the school you know sponsored by bunch of student groups and it was the first year was just one it was the best day of my life up to that point wow it was just amazing walking around the site and seeing all these people I knew and didn't know just having the best time No Way Out like we put this together it was just the best feeling and %HESITATION you know that on you and then all we really put time into dump besting gradually expanded over time you know going from a small four hundred person one night stand in Beltsville to having about like twenty five hundred people West Virginia high %HESITATION three nights yeah and it's been amazing it's eight in seiner Jordan out of work and it's it's totally worth it because it it just once the festival hits you know and once we see people that same feeling comes back well you know just seeing all the smiles on everyone's faces throughout the site it just it's the most rewarding thing ever and %HESITATION I mean fortunately we have a we started bringing in all good presents in two thousand nineteen to help alleviate some of the pressure off me and Greg yeah because I mean we me and Greg were literate we are running the whole thing for many many years and it was a lot you is exhausting you know we need the rest left for like usually a week I have to it we lose our voice is the whole intense experience for us but an amazing experience and you know Greg had a kitten April twenty twenty unit market this past August you know we knew that like you know it was time to our next level with outs at L. right into it so we had already brought in Aug eight percent and twenty nineteen sort of watch %HESITATION we do thing is it really so what makes don't cast out so that way they can gradually take over production rolled out wait me great work with it the entire year and I you know there are some nominal team like we've been working with them forever I've I've known them since like in college when I was a street team she rose hand out flyers frog festival you know we have a lot of faith in that team and know that they will deliver the best don't test experience that our fans you have yet to expect so what as a as a fan coming to dome fest what what sets it apart from seven other festivals that similar size what's what's the thing with don't bet it's all about the community it really is about people are doing this you know block there one the most when the key elements to don't cast you know it's my favorite fans are generally ones that we see every year we also see them everywhere but you know just the gathering of them from across the country for this one weekend is just I'm not always an inspiring experience for us as a band and you know a huge thing for our band is and something I've been really passionate about for since the festival started is you know we love turning our fans on the new music S. no we would love and every year when I tried to dump this on if it's like no yeah so you have to have some banter have you could draw answer will help sell the event but what's the most fun for me is booking all these bands that are fans might not yet know you know the fans at the bands that generally aren't so huge yet but I think one day they will or the fan the bands I know okay no our fans are gonna love this and that is easily my favorite part about like the whole organization aspect is putting those bands together until you know and similarly you know we go on tour we we love had we not taken support no it's always a really fun thing for us because you know it it it makes the whole night more the show more open come see experience where you get two bands you know people come in early by the posters you know yeah you can really get closer and then they get to see this mindblowing band they may have never heard of before Reno right in on this upcoming tour you know or one of the hundreds of other bands we've had support us you know I mean it's crazy to think that the last time we were in Portland you know goose was helping him with that was the lash that was our last show that we saw before the pandemic yeah we walked out of that %HESITATION fresco is that what does that show in the in the cold implant yeah so and it was amazing yeah what a great show that is nuts that to think that that you know bands that nobody's ever heard of that your giving us the opportunity to experience that and you know man it's funny because thinking about that's one of my favorite parts about doing this podcast yeah absolutely is finding those bands that aren't that well known that really I. dag and having them on and then getting to expose our listeners to it and hearing the reactions from them in the and then also here in the artist's feedback after was like holy shit man people from your show really you know came out and saw me play or whatever I love that and just knowing that we're helping turn people on to something and experience the main not have Pat otherwise yes to me one of my favorite things to hear after after the tassel happens every year is so much a man you know I'm so hooked on magic beans since I first saw her it's here AT the number bands right happened you know or or goose you know or any any band you know it's that means so much to me you know personally like just like that's why we put together this line you know if any time people ask me like Hey what are some bands check out to see it look at the dump that's not right now this year look at the past years because those are the yeah I mean there's way more bands that like because like one thing that's really important to us it for don't test is we don't want overlapping sets we should be easy stress decision pretty weak yeah we don't want people to like me like crap do I see this matter this band because they're both great bands we want people to see all the bands we want we don't want any band to be gone because we're playing at the same time is that bad you know but I wish I could book more bets because there are so many amazing bands out there that people just don't know about or people have yet to discover and we're just you know they haven't really popped on the scene yet and I I mean it's it's the biggest challenge when it broke don't test every year is not the only book all the bands we want yeah I mean there are so many bands that I really really want to get on the bill for this year that some have been passed on to us others who I want to make this the first year but unfortunate just we only have so many spots right because of the Nova sets so that's the hardest part but you know to me that's that's a good heart yeah that's that's a good problem to have an enemy I'm curious man like I know with us late a publicist and stuff for sending us new music but I'm also digging around myself like on Instagram and whatnot but I'm curious how you're finding the bands that that you find that like the lesser known stuff are you are you going out and seeing music and finding it that way or or what I mean a big part of this yeah I mean I I go I see a ton of live music I'm basically a regular at the eight by ten Baltimore which is a venue that we played tell this time expression earlier years knows do residencies there and %HESITATION I definitely discovered a lot of bands just pop into random shot eight by ten or seeing someone open for someone else but %HESITATION I mean when the biggest ways I discovered the bands of book for don't fast is at other festivals yeah especially like this was a coke smaller acts you know a lot of festival that had a big impact on don't test the past was can't barefoot which isn't doesn't exist anymore but you know I went like every year from two thousand nine on and I discovered so many amazing dance not just because they put a ton of local bands local regional you know who were small you know the who didn't have like large touring fanbases yet %HESITATION and you know they eventually got dust you know starting twenty eleven which was really exciting for me %HESITATION this is my favorite festival let's go that in August festival and you know what I that's where I first heard Papa does you know that's where I first heard zero that's where I first heard %HESITATION I think you still around a lot of bands of the that's why first got to finally see the motet play a fan of them for a long time %HESITATION but your town the spans I can name a lot of bands but a lot of reports and don't exist anymore but they were chiller bands that I discovered a camper you know and I would and total is Nancy %HESITATION we did kick swaps with patients with no so we would be invited to open trust in Baltimore we would open for them at Richmond or whatever and that's how we sort of built our fan base early on this through these relationships with bands we met another small festivals and %HESITATION we can help each other grow and that that was a huge thing for us for the longest time yeah helping other bands and vice versa you know we are I'm just gonna say yeah go ahead yeah like a great example of band that we first discover %HESITATION I first discovered it was Fletcher's Grove were great band out of Morgantown West Virginia you know %HESITATION they blew me away when I first saw them and %HESITATION I think the next year no I got touch and we're open to them at one two three pleasant street like late two thousand ten and %HESITATION it was a huge get for us you know it was using crowd sold out audience and in turn we had them come out to Baltimore opens recipe which was huge for that and Morgantown one two three pleasant street turned into one of our favorite rooms to play up the next right fifteen plus times you know and that this will show opening for cottage Grove really helped us out and those kind of experiences in those kind of that kind of networking is really important to us is there's a there's an aspect of reciprocity that's happening with you guys that you know you're clearly playing and now you're do you have this don't best you're inviting these people and giving them an opportunity to be exposed and it's kind of like this %HESITATION you know feeding loop that has happened and you really come full circle because like it's you were you know grow your parents were both musicians and then here you are and then not not just a musician but now you're not now you've been doing it for a while but yeah like continuing on this musical path like feeding getting fed by it I mean that's a really is in place to be Jeremy seriously thank you know I mean I'm I'm really feel extremely grateful yeah get back to the experience you know I mean it's I we love watching Arsene grow you know not just with us with all the payments around this thank you it's amazing watching our friends bands X. exceed and it's depressing Mason watching right bands we tour with the bands have a tone test thank you so well out there you know that's just nothing because our hearts more I think that that's that's huge man because it be easy for them somebody to be like well they had a they had a bigger turnout than we did it fuck them or you know what I mean and having that kind of attitude like that is huge man I think that's part of why pigeons is successful is because of that attitude of gratitude and that goes out in the crowd feels that stuff the attitude gratitude yeah attitude you know I know that quote yeah yeah I mean it's it's it's really amazing I know I mean music the world being in a band and like our scene is not it's not competitive scene there's no competition between bets you know every man we'll do our own thing you know and we all try to support each other as much as possible you know I see some bands love to make things into some fans like to make things into competition absolutely %HESITATION but you know whatever let them do their thing %HESITATION but no that's not is no competition between that is really at least I mean there shouldn't be at all I feel like it's come a long way M. since maybe like eighties and nineties and you know prior to that because there wasn't the internet and there wasn't a lot of places to get your music so there was a huge competitive aspect to it because you wanted to be heard and it's not maybe like you wanted your you know fellow other singer to not be heard you you just wanted to be heard the internet and soundcloud and bandcamp in you know all of apple music everything there's so much accessibility to different kinds of music that what you just said it's not competition and that's that's just like nowadays that used to not be in not so super cool aspect to the music scene right now that there is no competition is like yeah I went to your show last night and you're gonna go to mine tonight like heck yeah let's do this which before it it %HESITATION you know the the the corporate music industry kinda had their hand over it you know and now it's it's like you you can create your own festival invite your buddies and see everybody succeed that's a really cool and different model than used to be in step on their neck yeah it is really important for fans to be lifting each other yes you know and I think it's really important for fans to be lift each other up you know because we're all people you know and you know everyone's entitled to any opinions there but you know I will need to respect it opinions are opinions you know yeah but not everyone has to like every band and but you know everyone should support that that whole concept you know in I mean I love our music scene and the two men and I love watching it grow and I love seeing the fans it shows it's really amazing experience and I mean I'm I'm gonna go see some live music this weekend to C. %HESITATION so %HESITATION both in our our drummer's planet show with Natalie Brooke well okay so hopefully yeah ships we'll see so what what are some of your favorite bands to see live like if you had a choice right now arm I mean I love love seeing lotus you know seen it countless times we're beyond excited to happen with this I don't trust this year I love the green sky bluegrass just saw them few weeks ago we came to DC I've been really into California honey drops past few years I saw them first at a festival you know I heard the music for I got hooked you know high Sierra music festival specifically and that's not it that's where I feel like I've discovered a lot yeah we did too we doubt tally had one you're right about that one your love that festival such an amazing community the the really great curator so great who else I mean I love fish the obvious and I'll see them whenever I can you know I used to see a lot like ten years ago and then we got this we yeah it's great you know at first it was like okay now I can't go to this new year's and it was like you know it's a little hard that first year but then calling your show feeling the energy on the other side it was unbeatable it's like okay I don't need to go see other bands on new year's yeah who thinks of all the the like %HESITATION team stuff do you guys do like for Halloween and new year's and stuff you know it's it's a collaborative effort %HESITATION I mean the Disney set we we have it easy it is and why each and you we have a ton of ridiculous ideas like what years steam was a really fun lecture kool-aid actual test arena fifty four I made the I mean the key when the key thing is they need to make us laugh yeah it's really important for the teams before you know and like if we're laughing at the idea and we think it's funny ridiculous and also like doable we'll probably do it you know it's really like doing like we did a similar thing for Halloween you know buster hello Ian this press one %HESITATION yeah Sidon Anna mmhm thank you I downsize move yet yeah I mean so we we got a long list of so many ideas you know and it's it's really fun like pick one out for every year %HESITATION if we do it team and it's also a big it's a challenge for us you know it's like we just we look at it we we take it out like I think Floyd daft punk's right down folks gonna be weird and challenging without any keys or vocoders and willing to help we should do this challenge accepted and that no we just start working on it and like make all these different arrangements and see how us as a four piece you know with no keys can really pull off last music like you know waiting on a huge part of town is Richard Wright keep keep playing you know and we had to make all the sounds with you guitar or just moments in that sounds right still in other areas and you know we will recover some we're not trying to like do it by the book you know we try to recreate the song as it was a patient's oh wait LA we don't we play Pink Floyd song or death counts on we're not playing it No Way Pink Floyd to daft punk would play at all we're gonna play it the way we would like and that's what makes it fun for us and that's I think what makes it fun for the fans because I mean I don't know %HESITATION mentor fun at weddings but like it's really fun to see bands do something a little different Salt Lake and I love seeing bands to covers yeah me too because most bands you're covered there not just playing the song no because that's that's not exciting you want to hear and similar to like like going back to the studio versus live it's only it's awesome to hear songs live you know even if it's straight for three minutes and song it's it's a totally different experience but to me it's even more fun when that some has something different three minutes %HESITATION is this ten minute jam or or something changes with it and or or even just the experience of experiencing that song with the suit with a crowd of people yeah you know it's not like it I mean the power of live music is under that act and it's not replaceable you can't now live streams are not a substitute no thank you need to be in the room or outside out in that field %HESITATION at red rocks feeling the energy you know that's energy is really key part of the live music experience for sure you can't experience that outside of Addis ship through a screen in you said early on in the interview %HESITATION Jeremy you're like feeding off of of you know the energy and I've been thinking about it the whole time that word feed off of energy it's like we are taking it in and we're also giving it back well no I don't I don't mean it that way to me we're taking it in and it it is feeding us like it's giving us something that we can't get anywhere else like you said live streams are awesome thank god we had them to keep us occupied but it didn't %HESITATION replace that that need for that type of food you know that energetic expression between both the band and the audience Jeremy what was your first show that like really blew your mind that you went to that you like walked in one person walked out going holy shit I can say the most I mean so many shows I mean I first concert was the bare naked ladies when I was like twelve right the first concert I like remember I saw Johnny cash for those two I don't remember that but like you know one extremely important like musical experience for me was my first music festival %HESITATION you know and I think that's it it's true for so many people yeah that's all right you're right and for me you know that was Bonnaroo in two thousand six you know I just graduated high school and you know I was I was already at a live music junkie all through high school I was seeing shows one to three times a week while add to my parents this may even on school nights you know I was hooked and you know it was sort of more like punk shows and hardware so you know back in like early high school then I start going to some jam band shows and also to different and up and I got pretty big in the jam the jam band world over high school as well I worked with %HESITATION a big fish fans and you know I went to Bonnaroo two thousand six and eight I discovered so so many bands that weekend like where I first heard the wood brothers %HESITATION shoe are another one of my favorite bands to see live just saw them right there so go yeah %HESITATION it's where I first discovered the motet actually was a pound or two thousand six no I no ten I just stumbled upon their set you know on Thursday night and %HESITATION lumi way but the city is using at home %HESITATION wood brothers I I just I knew I was a big mess you might with fans and went and I was like oh Chris witness stand I gotta go see the totally different but I was also and %HESITATION and just the overall experience of being in a camping full immersive candy custom just changed my life you know I was like wow this is the greatest thing happens and you know and that if I didn't believe that we can be like I need to throw doubt that studies we can be like wow yeah like %HESITATION I live here I need to go I need to go to more music festivals and like that I was like the most epic week and I started going more music festivals you know and then I have I suppose get all get that summer to of course the plans fell apart last minute but first one August two thousand seven and everybody who had eighty thousand people yeah it was insane to pick but missing and like you know I'm so grateful that we get to play bond right now it's it's he surreal being on that stage or what other stages and up do we do that this summer will be really amazing yeah but then don't tell all get fast which is awesome which was also a huge festival twenty five twenty to twenty five thousand people he was similarly as intensive experience but way more chill may still still very overwhelming because twenty five twenty thousand people is a ton of people in a caravan dilisio people mmhm and I was like okay you know this is more my speed and then I went to camp barefoot and I had three thousand people and I was like this is where now we should just write when you're at a more intimate festival be it don't pester any others smaller festival you know it's me it becomes more of a community yes where you make friends who had who then you'll hang out with the whole weekend %HESITATION then you might you know Stanton you know I mean I know so many of our fans have met their closest friends met their future spouses at don't best you know and just like I've met so many my close friends at music festivals especially the smaller bright is like when you're at a festival with ten thousand even five thousand plus people you know you see so you might not see them again the rest of the but when you're a smaller festival with no four hundred up to like three thousand thirty five hundred people you get to experience the whole weekend it's good morning and make lasting friendships if you choose to do so and their someone special I mean my whole point with that is like you know music festival I think are extremely important you know and like complete game changer so people I I a hundred percent agree and %HESITATION one of the festival's that what we saw you out as well that kind of check that it didn't cut not kind of it changed my life and my respective for festivals was %HESITATION northwest string summit and just their grounds and holiday cultivated such a beautiful intimate space that I like what you were saying was into huge was in a sea of people but definitely was a good amount where you can kind of like walk by and see the guy that you stood next to it that the no show night before it was incredible so with you saying that lake you're right festivals are important it is an important place for people to find %HESITATION a likeness and and expand on that with each other you know like how that Pat was amazing and you always have that remember that set at you know twenty ten NATO string of summit and so yeah it it creates is awesome your book if you will absolutely and you know %HESITATION I I've come this monumental memories from music festivals right I know and lots of hilarious ones turned you know and they're they're some of my most fond memories are from music festivals you know it's %HESITATION that was such a huge part of my life you know even before the band existed you know I was cleaning of septic on the music scene live music going to festivals because I love seeing live music because you with that community or not when you are stressed well you're you're immersed in that community had %HESITATION or you live in for the next few days and it's really it's %HESITATION makes music festivals extra special to me and to get the contributed at senior don't test is yup it was a dream I never even thought I had yeah but it's been the one most rewarding experiences of my life and you know I feel so lucky you know to have been able to travel the country to play all these music festivals across country to finally experience twenty hideout when we did string summit two or three years ago for twenty nineteen was nineteen of twenty ninety time is weird after yes yeah it's really amazing I've been hearing that Horton's hide out for years being a fan of string cheese incident you know I always used to do there and since they're back in the day and I was always a man you know would be really cool to get out the winning side all and I never made it to string cheese show there but you know I'm glad I got to experience the place string so it seems to be a team that you play you get to see live music at venues you play him before where you get to see a bad alley there that's awesome man so what do you think about this morning's what was your what was your impression what a morning see how Morningside mornings is amazing such a beautiful grand you loved it like a lake behind the stage yeah %HESITATION and just the general vibe of the place is amazing you know it's it's a really special site I could tell it was so beautiful yes that was so cool to be in the crowd and what you guys do your set because a lot of the old bike bluegrass heads at that festival had never been experienced pigeons playing ping pong and to see them grooving to you guys and like who the who are these guys make it it was so much fun and yeah I mean I mean I can tell you like just I mean festivals it played such an important role in the development of pigeons playing ping you know we have to reach so many new fans to music fest with just like you were saying now and it is construction ported part of our of our career in our development and you know I mean I always think back to like we got our early opportunities you know and music festivals you know those were pivotal moments for you know when we were maybe just getting started market but then we got a music festival there it would change it %HESITATION yeah and that goes for every festival we played even still to this day no I mean it's beyond just just a good game it's it's an opportunity to reach new people you know no matter what stage in your career at right in my opinion yeah absolutely I love playing music you know every year it's been something I look forward to dear well man I I can I can wait to see you guys in a couple yeah I mean I I I %HESITATION yeah I mean I already said it eat your do your shows are one of our favorites brother into I I I appreciate you taking the time with us yeah I know you got a little baby and stuff and it's not easy and I really do appreciate that thank you seriously because time is clearly pressure very valuable and precious to you especially at this point thank you for giving us an hour of your time on a Friday afternoon even yeah thank you you got a pretty dope life man and music yes hello I love my life you know I'm very happy and blessed to be where you know and you know it's great to talk to people like you guys who are also passionate yeah Jeremy Blake for real Blake another thank you is you being open %HESITATION these are the people that how we heard about you ooh was people inviting us to your show and we'd never seen you before and one of our listeners was like you need to come out come side I said the city coming to pigeon show I said I don't know I'm not sure and we %HESITATION he's like I'm on the fence he got I said I'm on the fence you guys will get off the fucking fence and comply with the flock and that was that that was that yes so what I will let wrapping it up is just the fact that you're open with yourself you're sharing a lot of your insights and and your history to a bunch of %HESITATION maybe people that haven't heard you that might fall in love with you you know what I mean so thanks for being open and again thanks for your time and your talents man I appreciate at us I didn't talk too much with new out but seemingly excited about perspective you know some of the songs in that album are so my favorite songs we recorded yet and you know I cannot wait for everyone here right there man there will be some fun surprises for all our fans on there is there don't pass this year yeah I don't this is may nineteenth two twenty one at legend valley in order to R. right it's going to be epic weekend all right and R. eight Jeremy I know that you guys have like you have everything covered and you have a great team and and all that but when you're in Portland if you guys need anything if you need to get away or you need to fucking do laundry or you know any of that shit you got you guys got a place I really appreciate yeah I'm sad clown waking up going to the Nike outlet uses every year we got a point I'm not joking yeah a lot of people do that yeah you're not you're not alone definitely we've got some good shoes there I really like Portland you know from that first show at the tiny little basement venue then on the good foot yeah it was insane you know it's more than spent the trip you know it's really one of our favorite spots on yeah that's not beat up we have bricks hi all right every day thanks again the season brother take care we just started new shoes yes you heads the Nike Nike people to it is just you fans but up here it's the that's the whole night the thing I just love that right and then I found out Nate Nate knows all about it I have a wish I would have been on this one with Jeremy we would we would get down on shoes for a few minutes I would like to check these out yeah Jeremy thank you so much for hanging out with this man that it's a I don't know if it's just super special when a band that means a lot to us comes on the show absolutely we get to connect with the people that have facilitated a psychedelic good time for us like it's extra special and non psychedelic great times like hanging out on the porch just laughing and listening to music we were listening to him this morning it's it's amazing and that was this morning thank you to like you were so intentional with your the conversation and so thoughtful with your answers and I so appreciate that and you killed it when we saw you in Portland thank you the whole banded but you know we were trying I was trying to pay extra attention to you because you were just on the show so thank you thank you thank you pigeons when I am around Jeremy side too we sure well right there on the kids side which is the funnest Silas to showroom are not not not the other night they did I think they were in a picture you took or somebody did CM but not wall their plane we're as back will too far to see their own feet but I'm sure that he enjoyed the Nike outlet yeah every everybody likes Nike's enjoys the Nike outlets like the candy store I don't okay I just just another thing in life that I don't understand you have shoes that you lie there was a very outlet you would love it yeah okay okay your your shoe person just not as big issue person is like yeah I like that little thing of like being online and getting in lotteries and and you do that for tickets for concert tickets you that do not shoes about shoes so you understand it though big data transfer to something different yeah one night I just willing I just love having a god is love where we live living up here in Portland for people that don't know this is like a divided town it's it's funny like we live on the west side of the Willamette River this is where the knight campus and headquarters is in on the east side of the river is the adidas headquarters and like campus and the and the the day they can't those two can't mash like if you work at adidas %HESITATION if you work at night %HESITATION yeah cannot where it's kind of like game the other it reminds me of West Side Story when they're snapping Zara yeah but it's it's it's cool that there's that kind of culture people to people take it seriously now I know you guys I know it's just it's one of those like I said it's one of those things in life that like okay shoes there are a few other how happy I get about shoes the other thing I love about it too is is I mean I'm sure to an extent it does sometimes but I mean it like it doesn't matter your frame them or your stardom and stuff when it comes to some of the shoe releases there's movie stars rock stars and everything they don't get a pair of something they want because they don't they don't Nike doesn't do that or not was like over this in these to you know who whoever and a and a you have to win the lottery there's you know common folk out there get me shoes that everybody wants I and I know that it there right and then the the jam community there is a lot of sneakerheads look at Mohali is Gordan is another one might might think it's got some of the dopants Nike's I've seen a few of his additions John Zach Nugent is a big ninety percent and John from the Higgs nine sneaker head like it's it's a thing it's always I was made with Gloucester this real quick tour that will start with a little bit of my work I I'm okay wait a minute wait wait we're gonna back up because we we didn't recap the show O. okay I'll get back to my story where my Nikes in the emergency room yesterday but on this show man I just remember the next morning after I had time to process what actually happened that night like it's really evident that the last two years has done something really special for pigeons yeah not N. don't misunderstand what I'm saying that like like I'm saying that they were slouches prior because they weren't but these past two years have really up their game type into it to a level that I was really shocked they they are really in control of the energy in that room in a way that they are this is wrong yeah and then it was before what we're seeing that with a lot of the sure everybody has been honing their instruments and their vibe and everything through this two years and it's so cool to see it coming to stage partly because that plays a man that that crystal bought that that floor which should mean that floor moves on its own but it was really moving that now that's the first time that I ever felt that floor John what it will cost you in Europe %HESITATION doing what it was doing it was I mean I felt it bounce a little bit kind of rock and it was there was like a one point at the I think it was you and Cody were said that I was like I was like oh my god this thing is rock and it's like you could picture I was like you pictured almost like pancake in debt like a building yeah will be standing on the lower half of the building in an hour they just toward like they were literally tore the place down yeah most dependent Matt Butler I mean it man when they played in twenty eighteen Matt came out on stage and completely blew my mind that was the first time ever had seen Matt do his thing and he came out again this year N. with what's the guy's name L. while the Vince gadget thank you with a low N. Lisle N. M. pigeons playing ping pong I put a little bit of the video up on our Instagram page eight Matt Butler is a fucking wizard yeah we knew that well I use a conductor he's a wizard he's a he pulls things from the air and makes the most gorgeous sounds that you'll ever hear in your ear holes yeah in Lyles voice I wish that is a powerful ship right there dude Lou dot I don't ride the rails but Audrey and the family was up there and for I just lucked out by going up there to see them and dance with them for a couple songs and then Lisle had come out and I didn't know he was from the motel that we haven't seen the motet so I have I didn't know all the day the members of the band and he came out and when he started first of all he was that you just going to kill a Portland like his voice I just knew that something special is going to have to go down here and it hit me in the face his sound hit me in the face and the I don't care about riding the rails but I was so grateful to be out Friday for that for that specific it was nothing like it at lake I when I when he was done with that song I turn around and walk back to where we were all that and I was just dumbfounded and blessed I felt like I'd gotten knighted he's got them you know where the reminds me like old school like Al Green and Isaac was at her command D. it was like like you said like shit's gonna win so like peanut butter and jelly %HESITATION Beason carrots we believe the business because just a how funky is in that soul groove in and then pigeons and you know I I I'm not but I'm not making a comparison but I will say that like when we went and saw goose mmhm there is there's something different about live music now then %HESITATION yeah before there's something in there that's different that I've experienced why is out now %HESITATION once a good art twice when we saw goose here those two nights and now with pigeons there's like a I'm like a laser kind of focus that the bands have locked into an inability to really %HESITATION control the vibe in the the energy of the room in a way that wasn't apparent before no it Daigle we feel that all the shows we going to take it it's like they're so that their their impact abilities of above plane with the crowd and with the crowd and including the crowd is stronger than ever with everybody we've seen so far almost feels like home a good way to explain it is it's like creating another presence in the room almost like there's something that is descending into the holy ghost yeah the ferry in Berlin third dimension or whatever that the mention it's happened to me another concerts but my one of my favorite things about going to shows is like when a show is over and you're like what the fuck just happened yeah that works well who what wear out how my what happened who wants to go so fast it's like it's like there was only two songs like no that was yeah I got something for you thank you you have to I didn't get it yeah I was born into the entire next day although the entire rest of the week and all of us kept at times dropping that I can yeah it I don't know if it was what one of the another great part of the evening was having our two new friends come with us and seeing the look I looked over at bees face I looked over at him and his eyes Donna Schmidt and his mouth is going to happen and then I look over at D. and she is like she was on a planet while she was on fire she was later down she was Reuven and it was just to see people that have never seen a band and then do it if you would've looked at them like from a bird's eye view of the crowd they look like they've been there before they knew what they were doing they were dancing they were given but like to know that it was their first time and to like be able to go home with them and their excitement and just the it was amazing it was one of my favorite things to do and then like retired and then we've got is that that the free hand Cody Campbell S. forty many times and his son is in his mid teens came when I think eighteen eighteen is he yeah all right he does have a slight okay that's right and he was blown away first of first of all I love that two songs in the Karina right many leans over to me and taps on the salaries like apple I think I'm in love yeah you know it's like yeah I get lined out to follow her yeah this is we need and then watching him get his groove during page and at first he was he like he said he'd never quite dance to music like that like at a show it was kind of stiff the first couple songs next thing you know you look over and he's all wavy and just work in it and that was amazing it would be it was super cold for Cody because at one point in the evening Cody tap me on the shoulder and he was like I'm so happy is like during the first set of pigeons he's like I'm so happy my son's wearing a fissured he's dancing to pigeons playing ping pong I'm so proud like the other year dude you one man's been Killin it it was really sweet when he is around it by our people our planet is rightly and then the first people ever wind in the for the first person is all that we knew was Simon Darlin sign is it an Audrey's kids Darlin Simon C. Simon standing there with his to his hair's rock in it now and dislike Hey guys comes up gives us all a hug ushers us up to the very front rail where they're all hanging now and though those two Doug just amazing that that those four but those two kids are to the coolest kids I've ever met in my life by far my favorite kids Darla looked so beautiful like I was gonna say you have to start stopping kid pretty soon %HESITATION usually how just a couple years when you were a child changes and alters your look from a young girl a queue it to like a young lady that's beautiful and sweet and at its I don't even know what to say because a will to we've done that with our children you know like we've seen children grow up in a kind of miss it because you're there every day right but when you don't see children every day and they grow up from say maybe ten to twelve that's a big lead in those two kids have seen more pigeons shows and festivals and most of us and that's she she came strolling over its separate can I we was a little buttons denotes that break was a little weird and she she was just in there fucking with me and having a good time and joking around and laughing at all of those kids or pranksters have been raised by tasted Audrey this whole festival say they know how to have fun funny and sweet hearts out and then while watching Audrey Walker watching like the like watching her kids grow up seeing that would see that mom and Audrey lake so happy for but those are my little babies it's you we love you the %HESITATION battles without here you know it's a it's really cool to see the the community thriving again and like everybody out doing their thing and the smiles on people's faces it was the first show that we've been to wear masks were required the ad that was special really cool to see the smiles and like it changed the the vibe of the whole they all just not having to worry like that in open it up I don't mind the the hold all of it just the whole issue of that it felt like a new sense of liberation yeah N. M. where you know it whatever but the having that I think elevated the game too but you know the they really are like pigeons Solich consummate professionals at what they do N. it it's a it's really cool like it I was looking at the wall in the living room the other day we have all these posters from shows that we've been to and there's three pigeons posters up there in the living room I was like wow we've been going to see patients since twenty eighteen and that you know you'd see you here twenty eighteen and it doesn't seem like it was that long ago but it was four yes four years ago you know I mean the time goes really fast we we didn't score poster at this one day no one ever went back no works will ever went back to it that we didn't do much this time around I looked at it we first came in and then just had such a blast yeah I was completely like I didn't even go to the March and I got caught it like on the way out I got caught in like the flow of humans leaving the crystal ballroom so I couldn't like you get sucked into a vortex going down the stairs and exit yeah it is like in the lobby then I was outside town it was sometimes it happens sometimes it does it was really funny after the show Ben and TIFR with us and it was me a melon apple and then our two friends and I've been into and the word you know after the show and on the street corner here in Portland and we're like okay we're gonna call a new room Bentley fuck that all drive you guys home it's not that far in we're like okay so we follow benders car we get there and it's a five seater and there's eight of us the ability of that was and I'm like bend it we can't do this and he's like hi you do your your mom was in the circus you guys can this just but we'll figure it out get it man so like we'll start trying to pile in this car and the last two outside the car me an apple and and the cars already exist yeah we're the two biggest dudes other than our one friend is like six for him in the front apple on the set on apple's lout who sitting on Mel's land leasing and it showed driving through downtown Portland it would be like to clean and do it would be a hops like wet dream not even a bust you but just to pull you over and fuck with you'd be like what the fuck is going on here is how you doing yeah we'll see we just went to a concert and we all didn't want to try because it wouldn't be safe so huge Hey I'm talking a thousand miles an hour yeah no thanks no it didn't happen so apple and I being the responsible adults that we are %HESITATION decided that well maybe not I don't know regarding the green pool taken over will meet you guys there so they drive off we were like peas %HESITATION wearing it over a couple minutes behind %HESITATION they drive off and I quickly realized that apple in Iowa alone downtown Portland at like midnight and I am and everything else and I'm having trouble affording my on early and I'm like oh shit so I finally like locking in Hooper and it first it says like six minutes to make okay six minutes we'll be able to get in the car I will get home will be sick eighteen min M. S. and I'm like oh shit and there's like junkies walking by in it we were we're on the corner just cracking up on that looking at the building into it it was so finally I said the next day you're like that was on the phone is times that like me and him had together just just standing there were stuck downtown way not right so we're we're just like goofy as hell man Hey man look over to your right and I was like yeah he's like see that building right there it's a it's a miniature Empire State Building and keep waiting for a little tiny King Kong it was that it was pure silliness and fun yeah and then our our uber driver I don't know what he thought we were like recapping the show in telepathy and half sentences on the ride home yes he was like glancing in the rear view mirror like oh shit so the only thing was coming out was like noises and they want laughter may show one point I said I was like I got I would man there's one pointers dance and someone else gets a hot sweaty I thought I was going to throw out I was like like that he I think he just heard the throw up to and he's like oh no no no no no no we're talking about earlier one fine nobody's going through your car's driving too fast no no dudes go but those nights are the best night man and now pigeons playing ping pong thank you thank you for another magical fucking evening near Morton yeah I can't wait to see him again now because their their new album perspective is coming out on April eighth and they are still in the middle of a whole country tour here just Killin it everywhere I can be in Boston they're gonna be out in Boston and then tomorrow April first apple yes Sir tell us about your shoes in the emergency room dude all right good deal all week the little league okay so it's %HESITATION folks any inmates listen before I I I I have some lower GI issues and things everything yesterday's way to put it yeah yes Sir yeah yeah I'm not gonna get graphic anymore no let's go back and listen if you want to hear more about my issues by lower GI things so really anywhere I had to leave work yesterday came home not feeling good Erin was finally like all my god you look like crap I wasn't feeling good I was in pain Erin took me and dropped me off the E. R. and I went in and was there for a while but the part of the story is going back to talking about ninety people and shoe heads I had a because like they're my favorite Percy is that these purple and black Nikes and everywhere I where am I get comments on it because I like special order you can't walk in the store by and you can go on the Nike website the people don't know this you can sign up on the Nike website create your own account and you can build your own shoes you could pick the colors you want down to the laces the tongue like everything but I'm in the E. are to blame in the hallway get we get C. T. scare and I got my shoes on which %HESITATION hanging off the end almost a little and like doctors near areas walking by it's like because they're pretty much busy in any are they're not really talking to people are paying attention but there are nice shoes I got somebody nice to comment and I'm laying there they're not pristine in order to get a little when this will be our blankets over you to keep you cozy and my feet are sticking out so that's like all you can see it was just funny I got a lot of comments on my nineties Snapple's trip to the ER news yeah it is yeah and and I'm okay I'm home okay I'm doing this so Hey me and Roger R. M. and you it's weird it's weird when any one of us is not feeling good but it's it's really weird when like it the not feeling good as to the level of like should I take him to the hospital level yeah that's fucking weird well the the dark dog picks up on it Darwell yard when was like very concerned about me and that also helped me a lot like the dumb fucked up the well yes docs can smell shit like that on that's I told him that this movie is really small blood especially him well they can smell blood they canceled cancer some dollars a console disease agents major yeah yeah they can build that come on since that and Darwin so tuned in to all of us so he really knows what's going on but it's just like you know I'm I'm working from home and you show up in the middle of the day I had no body to you courtesy call I'm just a courteous roommate SLR no but I just heard it will that will Wednesdays is the one day there aren Amell Hobhouse themselves all the but the boys are back to work I'm at work to animal had the house to themselves which I am sure it did sometime it's just quiet whatever right now all home I was in I you know I don't know that I'm heading home on the freeway and I'm like you know what I call case there you know to whatever apple goes on around the house your customer and I happened in all these what Wednesdays it's not happened apple okay well and maybe I started something but when I was like he's like why why okay as I could just because I'm courteous did state I'm not trying to walk in on anything or disrupt you if you guys like who knows meditating or something I would know to come in he's like okay I guess that's cool thank you thank you yeah for sure where nobody does that I do that but it shows up the middle the day which is weird first and then when you got out the car dude where I'm sorry when you came down here you you look good thank you were white I was pale your your white already anyway you're the white apple when I turn the lighter that scare like he's going to transparent and then just what was going on with you it's like Zach could be really something serious or nothing at all let's go find out instead of like %HESITATION two days from now now you're in the hospital for a week yes you didn't go N. yeah it was a long time and it was good that there was nothing earlier poor but the doctors were stumped they are like we don't know were the bleeding came from aliens but everything you're G. I. everything looks good they were dumbfounded but also it was nothing that they could tell well I'm glad you're alright man and like I said I don't like when any of us aren't aren't feeling well but when one of us is in the house so it's a W. near super sui awesome brother the way you handle your tone and everything like I'm going to lock up everything downstairs I'm gonna meet you at the car get ready you're in you're like don't change where guys like okay because I was going to like that I was thinking of it like I'm going out any probably I'd say you know you're going to get our live on your sweats get your it's purple Mikey's though I absolutely I was like hello bring that with you let's go man I love the data me kick the grandpa or dad did send it did you I should be there and then you and Mel came and picked me up later that evening and it was it was nice so yeah I mean not much has transpired since Tuesday when we checked in with everybody yeah that's the biggest thing will ER scare about you anything new well since Tuesday may not some cute days off I spent the day with Tiffany and we had an awesome fun just girl time at which you two together similar trouble maker no we were angels you can lower your total be angels but you two look like trouble makers %HESITATION yeah and we said we always will look like trouble makers but we were just being cute and we just had a really great time hanging out league it's amazing how much life happens in like a week or two that if you don't talk about it you realize like oh shit I guess a lot didn't happen yeah you know like you know when Darwin's leg and we had gone to the concert and then you know people come over and look like a lot can consist you know go down so we were just kind of feeling each other in an arm you had a couple appointments disappear water that was really fun though and I actually have an appointment coming up right this moment that I got a %HESITATION yeah yeah out for well look everybody here's the thing we we have a lot on the schedule a lot of the books yeah it's nice it's nice to have a full plate again yeah it's I am beyond grateful for our schedule I am not complaining in the least I am so happy next week April seventh through the ten thank you heard at the beginning the show will three of us know simple road will be joining Melvin seals and Jerry Garcia and and the J. G. B. circles around the sun Phil Lesh and friends %HESITATION Thielen friend think television talking head women's Marcus Razak shred is dead Keller Williams at the Ventura county fair grounds for skull and roses festival we'll be podcasting live from there if you listen the show and you're gonna be there make sure to come find us come say hi we're gonna be recording clips %HESITATION little small interviews with attendees so if you are so inclined feel free to come over to us that story to tell I've got something to say yeah and then %HESITATION melon I will be headed to New York City %HESITATION to go see fish and okay I just have to like be a proud mom right now said is currently in New York right now working for covergirl easy breezy beautiful easy then I don't know anything else commercial not sure print not sure who cares she's working for cover girl and I'm a proud mom and I just wanted to throw that in there Hey our little girl Killin it we're gonna fall over to New York and go see fish that's right and then we're not going to see in the Quincy the Knickerbocker knickerbockers no no no we're not going to get the neck %HESITATION then we're going to be at motor family fest %HESITATION to a family that see at Beltane music festival here and %HESITATION you can get tickets to both of those at their respective websites and also witnessed emperor dot com and then %HESITATION northwestern summit and then we have some other stuff lined up work I just got us tickets to go see %HESITATION Thielen friends today %HESITATION you did sure did well %HESITATION summer going to sleep %HESITATION survey at the end it's edition it Sir all nine nine the Senate I gotta say shout out to our good Mike our good buddy Bryce and everything because you guys like that not that I get depressed when you're gone but I'm happy to get up but I was like okay I got nothing to do when they're gonna be gone price calls me up is like got an extra ticket to go see Dave Chapelle at the moda center or twenty all day and then get to go get high go with them the moda center and watch Dave Chapelle wow that's awesome that's right easing well wait a a reliable and Joe also Joe Joe help set that up price is dope I will I will suffice as an option he's a he's a charming southern gentleman studios writer Jeremy and then %HESITATION thank you I got to go so you can finish up and %HESITATION we love you guys will be back next week with more stains eight we'll see soon wash your hands while stranger thank you