00:00 - John (Guest)
No, simple Road.
00:01 - Aaron (Host)
Yeah, here we go nobody ever said I was good at remembering names.
00:33 - Apple (Host)
No, no no, they didn't no, I know I haven't said that to you.
00:37 - Aaron (Host)
I have this thing like I swear, as soon as I meet somebody and they tell me their name, like five seconds later it's gone completely.
00:48 - Apple (Host)
But if they gave you, like their social security number, credit card number, you'd be charging stuff and stealing identities definitely hey, now no simple road family.
00:58 - Aaron (Host)
We're back with another episode of no simple road. This is erin, this is mel, and this is apple and our guests on the show this week in the studio with us.
01:08 - Mel (Host)
That's right In the studio.
01:10 - Aaron (Host)
Our brothers, the Jaunty, jaunty. This was back. When did we do this? We did this. February 17th yeah, the 17th they were up here in Portland for a little Wow time. Flies Flime ties, in portland for a little time flies flyme ties and she does, really does. Uh, they were up here for a little four show run I think it was back then and um, they came over to the house and hopped into the studio and rode the no simple road bus with us.
01:37 - Mel (Host)
that's so cool when artists get especially that like we've had them on before, and then they came to the studio after having been on. Yeah, they had the both experiences.
01:48 - Aaron (Host)
And we got to hang out with Scott a little bit in in Mexico. I boogied with him on the last night.
01:53 - Mel (Host)
That's right. Shout out, scott.
01:56 - Aaron (Host)
Yeah, that was a blast.
01:59 - Mel (Host)
Oh my gosh, you've forgotten about it.
02:00 - Apple (Host)
Yeah.
02:04 - Mel (Host)
And we were having a great time, and the last day we saw him at the buffet oh man, I was not feeling good that last day.
02:12 - Aaron (Host)
I was having a rough. It was good to see you and, yeah, great to see you, scott yeah, if, if, uh, I just I know I say this all the time on the show man, whenever we have bands here, but like, this is one of those bands that you just need to go see live, just please go do it, just do it. Do what I say or what I ask I'm not telling you. I'm asking you nicely to go see them.
02:37 - Apple (Host)
This is for your benefit yeah, yeah you're not doing yeah we're not getting anything out of it except for well, I guess love in return. Yeah.
02:46 - Aaron (Host)
And this band is extremely hardworking man. This is a group of guys that are putting it all on the line and have been for quite a while now, and they got a lot of stuff coming up. They got Johnson of their Lives. The live album, volume three, is out right now and then in april, on the 6th, they're doing a dual live event with cool, cool, cool uh, with special guests, a tribute to herbie hancock. That's gonna be dope uh with cycles and the john t at cervantes masterpiece ballroom and, like I said, on april 6th and um, keep your eye out. They they're gonna to be touring this summer and if they're coming through your town, buy your tickets in advance and make sure you get yourself some merch too. They got really cool merch with the space monkey throwing the stuffed tiger and all that.
03:37
Anybody have anything.
03:40 - John (Guest)
No.
03:41 - Mel (Host)
I kind of don't. It speaks for itself. We just talked about it. We love the show, we love the john t we.
03:48 - Apple (Host)
I mean yeah, that they what I was going to say. I talk about it in here, kind of the album that came out last year, but then they have the jaunts of our lives yeah the lot, the live stuff that's out.
03:59
That'll give you a. If you haven't seen them, that'll give you a taste of what you're in for. I mean these guys, they just blow up the place. They're insane. There's a lot of music. There's a go over to youtube. You can grab some videos. But most importantly, like aaron said, support them when they come to your town.
04:17 - Aaron (Host)
You will not be disappointed any band where the drummer can sing always blows me away it's like the most fascinating thing it will never not be amazing because just rub your head and pat your belly and then tap your feet at different times and then remember the lyrics.
04:35 - Mel (Host)
Just I can't even remember somebody's name, like be cool about it. Yeah, you're keeping timing.
04:39 - Apple (Host)
Yeah, you're looking cool you're keeping timing, you're seeing. I mean that.
04:43 - Aaron (Host)
That's extraordinary talent, yeah so just go see him.
04:47 - Apple (Host)
It's, it's, it's, it's what's for dinner no, the jaunty, it's not just for breakfast anymore that's the next album?
04:56 - Aaron (Host)
all right, we're gonna do the business and we're gonna get you to the thing. Oh, hey, um, hey. There's a something I wanted call out too. One of the members of our community is fighting for his life. He's fighting cancer right now.
05:12
His name is Kiddo, a member of the Fish and Grateful Dead community. There is a live music and silent auction here on Saturday, april 13th, from 7 pm to 10 pm at NEPO 42. You can go to our Instagram at no Simple Road and we have a post up there if you are interested in going.
05:33
Percent of the sales of the bar is donated to his hospital bills and his life stuff, and then there's also a Venmo at kiddo forever. K I D O for ever. This is somebody that has spread a lot of joy and has a lot of people that love him and care about him, and he's fighting for his life and needs some support for you kiddo.
06:00 - Mel (Host)
I mean we're sending you some love and your family and strength and yeah, we're good vibes.
06:07 - John (Guest)
Yeah.
06:07 - Aaron (Host)
Kiddo's going to pull through and this benefits going to help him out with some living expenses and help him with this medical bill. So, like I said, you can go to our Instagram page. There's a post up there. It's a little rainbow picture. You can just you'll figure it out. You know how to read, you're smart. Anyway, we're going to do the business and get you to the interview, so follow us at no simple road on the social medias go to our website and do website things there wwwnosimpleroadcom that's right, but you couldn't guess that's what it was you got the merch, you can get a tarot reading.
06:39 - Apple (Host)
You can see what we're up to. There's old pictures posted, there's all kinds of stuff going on over there and hey explore I just posted up a new, no simple road t-shirt design.
06:49 - Aaron (Host)
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07:04 - Apple (Host)
It's a different promo code than usual.
07:06 - Aaron (Host)
I like it yeah it's weird anyway, that's that the website go on apple podcast. Leave us a review a five-star review.
07:14 - Mel (Host)
Five stars do we?
07:14 - Apple (Host)
got anything? Yes, we do. We have a new review from saturday. This is from schuler d pdx. Right on sch on Schuller D Five stars titled Road Trippin' Okay. Thank you all. So, so, so much for what you do and all the love you all spread across the airwaves In progress of moving from Boulder to Asheville. Oh wow, that's a dope move. Those are both dope cities.
07:44
Right on To Asheville this year and I couldn't do it without the support from the NSR podcast. That's a dope move. Those are both dope cities Right on To Asheville this year and I couldn't do it without the support from the NSR podcast. The drives might get old, but they do not. Keep on going, aw we love you, that's awesome.
07:58 - Aaron (Host)
Thank you for that.
07:59 - Mel (Host)
We actually do get older and grow older every year. Thank you for saying that, though I'm getting older, but I'll never grow up.
08:04 - Aaron (Host)
Thank you for saying that, though. I'm getting older, but I'll never grow up. Thank you for that beautiful, beautiful review awesome.
08:08 - Mel (Host)
You know what we go on road trips with people. That is the coolest, funnest thing we don't even gotta go and get tired chilling in the car I have to get gas.
08:19 - Apple (Host)
Yep, so, schuler, we're chilling in the car with you, that's dope, yeah, we are and good luck with the move. That's an awesome move, going from one dope place to the next. If you get tired of Asheville, come on over to Portland next.
08:31 - Aaron (Host)
It's pretty cool, hang out. So here's the next thing. Thank you for doing that for us and you could be. Next We'll read your review and that helps other people find out about the show. Now here's the next thing. Go to patreoncom forward slash. No simple road. Here's the deal. No simple road now costs a dollar a month. One dollar every month for 12 episodes. Here's the here's the thing, though. Nobody's checking. If you paid, all right. It's the honor system, all right, honor. Do you understand? If you, if you're not paying, nobody's gonna yell at you.
09:03 - Apple (Host)
But it's like you say, yeah, the honor said, like when they bring that house of wine at Italian restaurants. And it's like you let us know if we have a glass. It's the honor system, then you drink it all. Don't tell them. That's awful that's exactly what you don't do.
09:16 - Scott (Guest)
I don't even know what you're talking about.
09:19 - Apple (Host)
Yeah, you don't do that I. I don't think they do that anymore.
09:21 - Aaron (Host)
NSR does cost a dollar now, so if you're not paying. Hey, you know what. It's up to you, what you want to do, I get it. Anyway, patreoncom forward slash, no Simple Road. That's how that works.
09:32 - Mel (Host)
Leave it at that.
09:33 - John (Guest)
Yeah, leave it at that. You can also call 971-808-1524.
09:37 - Aaron (Host)
Do you guys know what that is?
09:39 - Apple (Host)
Our tepid line apple. That's where you can call and do whatever you want to do. You could sing a song. You could play music. You could give us a trip report. You could tell us about a show. You went to a recipe, a joke. I could go on and on. You get it. You could do whatever you want. You have three minutes if that's not enough time, which isn't for some people. We've had people call back two, three times that's true, that's true.
09:59 - Aaron (Host)
Or if you mess up, you're like oh man, call back again just just make sure when you, when you call the tepid line dude, give us something mildly uh, that sounds good, you know, make sure that you're on a good phone, or whatever.
10:12 - John (Guest)
Then beyond that we got you.
10:14 - Aaron (Host)
So that is the tepid line.
10:16 - Mel (Host)
And then we're asking that if you love somebody around you most, you do love people, and then you tell them about no simple road yeah, if you happen to listen to an interview and it tickles your fancy or it gets your brain going or your heart pumping, tell your friend tell your mom, tell your sister, tell your brother be like your boss. Yeah, I'll love you for somebody that goes your your concert, buddy that you go see all the shows with, send them the the john t episode.
10:46 - Apple (Host)
Send them the link there it is and you could tell your dog, because we do play it for darwin and it's I mean it soothes him to hear our voice. But if you get your dog used to listen to us, it'll suit them too. Wow, all right.
10:57 - Aaron (Host)
so you know what? No simple road is even good for your pets. So that's all the stuff websites and patreon, we cost a buck, and the the tepid line and tell each other and there it is. Anyway, and now get ready. Without further ado, the no Simple Road crew gives you the John T.
11:23 - Aaron (Host)
Can't stop listening to all that fucking work. My dad says I'm mad and my mom thinks I'm losing control. They tried an invention, but I felt the feeling deep in my soul.
11:47 - Speaker 6 (Other)
I'm an invention, but I felt the feeling deep in my soul, got a serious addiction and affliction for that rock and roll.
12:00 - Aaron (Host)
I've got a serious addiction and affliction for that rock and roll, but I won't stop this thing. My addiction's gonna carry me on and carry me on.
12:31 - Speaker 6 (Other)
Stop traveling the country with no money and no proper job. But it's worked so far and I ain't causing nobody no harm.
12:42 - Mel (Host)
I'm a renegade rocker, the kind of kid that you can call and I want to meet you. Good representation.
12:51 - Aaron (Host)
I'll say I think so. You're recording. I think so.
12:54 - Mel (Host)
I don't know Aaron likes to sneak it in on us. No, I got to make sure it's actually working, hang on a second Check, check, check.
13:02 - Aaron (Host)
Let me hear you, dude Check, check.
13:04 - Mel (Host)
Hello I was going through my book of when I do interviews of um everybody that's been on and I know that I did one of you, but I looked through them and I can't find it you talked to me oh it was it was you two.
13:17 - Scott (Guest)
Yeah, yeah yeah, maybe separately, I guess was it separately no, it was you guys together.
13:23 - Aaron (Host)
It was you guys together. You were in different Zoom windows, oh right, yeah, and it was like we were trying to figure it out, do you?
13:29 - Apple (Host)
remember this.
13:30 - Mel (Host)
But you don't remember each other.
13:32 - Apple (Host)
It was last May we released it, so it was probably recorded in April.
13:35 - John (Guest)
I can't find it. She does great portraits of everybody You've got to show them Jonathan.
13:42 - Tyler (Host)
Hart's picture.
13:44 - Apple (Host)
You just had that one pulled up.
13:45 - Mel (Host)
That's too hard to see that's in the other one.
13:49 - Caton (Host)
It's too much. Was it around String Summit?
13:52 - Aaron (Host)
Yes, yeah, it was right after, because we were talking about seeing you guys there. Okay here's from.
13:59 - Mel (Host)
Matthew from Perpetual Groove? Or this is Will Hanza doesn't look. Oh wait, this is Ari Joshua. Do you guys know Ari Joshua?
14:06 - Caton (Host)
Sort of.
14:07 - Mel (Host)
Sort of. I know that, I know that he has. Ok, there's Dean Del Rey, there's Dean Del Rey. Do you know who Dean Del Rey is?
14:19 - Apple (Host)
He's a.
14:19 - John (Guest)
he's dope, he's a stand up, stand up comic podcaster. Well shit.
14:26 - Aaron (Host)
Now that we've all looked at Mel's pictures welcome.
14:29 - John (Host)
Jaunty in the studio my picture book.
14:31 - Aaron (Host)
What's happening? Everybody, How's everybody doing? Doing great. Did we get sleep last night?
14:36 - Caton (Host)
Yeah, Actually we did.
14:38 - Scott (Guest)
Okay, yeah, that's good.
14:39 - Caton (Host)
Hotel sleep.
14:40 - Scott (Guest)
Yeah, the hotel. We stayed past the checkout.
14:43 - Aaron (Host)
That's nice. They frown upon that. They called they normally don't call them they called.
14:48 - Caton (Host)
They're like, hey, get the fuck out. No, they said uh, do you have an idea of when you'll be leaving? Tomorrow, yeah I was like that's yeah, that's a polite way of saying it and I I said we're leaving right now, but it was like still another 30 minutes did you stay down to eugene or up here, eugene?
15:04 - John (Guest)
Okay, eugene.
15:06 - Aaron (Host)
So we're catching you during the PNW jaunty jaunt.
15:11 - Caton (Host)
Yeah, just a little jaunt for the weekend.
15:13 - Aaron (Host)
Yeah.
15:14 - Scott (Guest)
Is this it? Yeah, we're just doing four shows and then Then back home.
15:21 - Mel (Host)
Okay, so what awaits everybody back home after this?
15:26 - Tyler (Host)
Well, as far as jaunty stuff goes, we've got a couple small things. We're doing frozen dead guy day festival, um in estes park in march. We've got a cervante show with a bunch of banging bands coming up in april, um, still working on summer tour plans.
15:39 - Aaron (Host)
We'll see what comes together um, but we all, you know, we all keep busy at home um, some of us playing around the local scene in Denver a bunch and so keeping at it as far as like booking summer tour plans, does it weigh heavy on what you guys do, based on like what Billy Strings, where he books or Goose or Fish or that do you like?
16:06 - Caton (Host)
as far as like playing after parties and pre-parties and stuff like that, um, sometimes it's kind of hard to um really, uh, deal with that one way or the other. You know what I mean it's like we kind of uh, it just happens or it doesn't happen a lot of times.
16:21 - Mel (Host)
Yeah, synchronistic, like the dates fall in line.
16:23 - Caton (Host)
Yeah, you have to be kind of like looking already in that area and then like they happen to announce it at the same time and you're already kind of in talks or something, just because, unless you know, a management person shares, you get the chip off.
16:35 - John (Guest)
Yeah, exactly yeah.
16:36 - Mel (Host)
Have you noticed that it's advantageous or not to do it that way After?
16:39 - Caton (Host)
parties in general. Yeah, Um after parties in general. Yeah, Um they can be good. Um, you gotta be at the right spot in the town that you're in, I guess, you know like the one within walking distance.
16:49 - Tyler (Host)
Yeah, yeah, the one that yeah.
16:51 - Caton (Host)
That makes sense, yeah, or a place that's like known for after parties or something like that, right yeah.
17:10 - Aaron (Host)
And, and I would imagine, like when you're playing an after party like that, the crowd mush, um yeah it gets a little dark sometimes I mean is that good?
17:14 - Scott (Guest)
yeah, no, it's good. Yeah, I was gonna say, I think especially people want it that way, guys, it's good, it's definitely a good thing you're gonna take them, take them on a ride and they're already primed and ready, like exactly that's.
17:19 - Aaron (Host)
That's kind of what you want.
17:20 - Apple (Host)
that's a good crowd yeah.
17:23 - John (Host)
Get them when they're vulnerable.
17:24 - John (Guest)
Yeah, you know go ahead.
17:27 - Mel (Host)
Well, I was just going to see let's the update of 2020. John T Ternell. Like what have you guys gone through? What's been your like?
17:37 - John (Host)
you know, way less shows.
17:39 - Tyler (Host)
Okay, the whole in that span, yeah Than before that we were kind of real road warriors um through like the 20 teens we were doing six week tours at least like three or four times a year.
17:51 - Mel (Host)
That's a lot, it's a lot.
17:52 - Tyler (Host)
Um, we were all living in a band house together, though at the time, so it kind of worked out um around 2020, we all um got our started getting our own places. Um, you know, me and my wife have a kid now congratulations so we just kind of gotta uh, thank you, we gotta just kind of attack the whole situation a little differently. Just we're trying to do more little weekend runs like this yeah just go out.
18:12
You know, go out for four days, come back real quick. Um, trying to figure out how to make that happen more often and um kind of also just attacking the with the summer tour plans. Anyways've got to kind of wait for festivals and opening slots to come in, and then we kind of build around that. Still playing that game.
18:32 - Apple (Host)
Which that's cool. We've heard that from a lot of artists and everything too. They say touring's smarter now.
18:37 - Tyler (Host)
Yeah, exactly.
18:38 - Apple (Host)
Instead of just going gung-ho, being worn out and on the road all the time and not seeing family.
18:44 - Tyler (Host)
Yeah home being worn out and on the road all the time and not seeing family. Yeah, we're doing a lot more recording stuff now too. Um, we just uh released a new album last year. Um anything almost said everything. That's the title track, but uh. So yeah, we're already working on um other stuff. We've been releasing some live albums recently.
19:01 - John (Host)
Um, some live like high quality multi-tracks it's got good mixed down and stuff that's that's what we were jamming out, or something. Yeah, two weeks ago we live albums recently, some live high quality multi-tracks. So good, that's what we were jamming out.
19:10 - Aaron (Host)
Yeah, two weeks ago we just released a new one Is that three Yep Johnson of Our Lives, volume 3.
19:13 - Tyler (Host)
So good.
19:13 - Apple (Host)
That's what we were jamming out to all morning on the porch with coffee and everything.
19:17 - Caton (Host)
I think. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that that was from kind of like the streams that we were doing early in the pandemic oh cool, yeah, so that was around 2020, yeah so there's no crowd not.
19:29 - Scott (Guest)
Not on johnson, for a lot of those no yeah, there are on the other oh, the other.
19:34 - Tyler (Host)
The other two were shows from prior to that.
19:37 - Caton (Host)
But, um, this one, yeah, was done all from stream stuff, because we did like like what, what?
19:44 - Tyler (Host)
We did 10 streams with no repeats. 10 streams with no repeats.
19:47 - Caton (Host)
Wow. So we found some, and I think a couple of these songs also haven't really been on other releases, correct?
19:53 - John (Guest)
yeah.
19:55 - Caton (Host)
So we kind of tried to pick some songs that hadn't been given the more fine-tooth comb treatment more fine tooth comb treatment.
20:12 - Aaron (Host)
So it's so hard to translate what an improvisational music band does live in the studio, it's. It's such a I feel like it's a misrepresentation all the time like if you've never, if I've never seen a band before. And somebody's like here, listen to this studio album. And I listen to it. I'm like, okay, whatever, that's like here, listen to this studio album and I listened to it. I'm like, okay, whatever, that's fine. And then you go to the show. You're like this is a completely different band.
20:30 - Caton (Host)
Right Is it.
20:31 - Aaron (Host)
Is it hard to find that balance?
20:33 - Caton (Host)
I think, yeah, I think that this was an interesting one, like this release that we just put out, because we didn't know that people were like actually watching it. Right, they're going to be like actually watching it. Right.
20:46 - John (Guest)
Yeah, for the streams.
20:47 - Caton (Host)
Yeah, yeah. So, like you know, it didn't have the energy like that you can feed off of, but it did give you a sense of like, oh well, people are watching, so, like, try to do something cool, you know.
20:55 - John (Guest)
Yeah.
20:56 - Mel (Host)
But you're doing it kind of for yourself though.
21:03 - John (Guest)
Right podcast.
21:04 - Caton (Host)
yeah, yeah, definitely not dissimilar yeah, um, but then um, with anything, our recent like actual, like studio effort. Um, I think we took the approach more so like, whereas our prior albums we tried to like capture the feeling of like performing the songs live. Um, I think we took the approach more of like just crafting a version of the song, like given the tools that a studio has, that you don't have live, that kind of vibe.
21:28
So I think that's maybe a better way to approach albums as, like an improvisational band it's just like, rather than trying to make it like it's going to be live, just make it like its own thing completely with a lot more layers that kind of thing.
21:42 - Mel (Host)
I think that's a good way. Yeah, that layers that kind of thing. I think that's that's a good way.
21:44 - Caton (Host)
Yeah, that's a good way to remain true to the your artistry and to the sound yeah, right, but that being said, you're right, that doesn't necessarily capture what the live thing is like, but you can still make something cool.
21:53 - Mel (Host)
Yes, but that's what's cool, then, because it makes the band multi-layered, multi-dimensional.
21:58
It's like you can come see us and like, have your mind blown and then you can drive in the car and, freaking, really feel it with your or with your headphones on or running or what you know what I mean, like that's what I think is really rad about a lot of the jam bands because you can take a long time to with one song, to do something it like stays with you for a while, like like if you're walking with a friend, it's like a long walk, you know, and that's a great thing that you can capture on an album that like part of the feeling when you're in the crowd, if that makes sense. Yeah, you know what I mean yeah, that does make sense.
22:37 - Apple (Host)
if I, when you guys pulled up, I was standing out there jamming to my favorite song off of the anything album is recap and that one really just jams, you guys take it for more of a walk.
22:47 - Caton (Host)
Yeah, yeah, it seems like yeah, that was more of like a tune, solo sections kind of thing, whereas the other ones were I think that was one of the few that we had already played live, kind of.
22:58 - Tyler (Host)
Yeah, okay, that one kind of worked out and had the feeling of it.
23:01 - Apple (Host)
It's got that feel. You're so freaking keyboards man Especially on that one on everything. It's funny. I was listening back to the episode we did with you two and we were talking about Tyler joining the band and I'm just curious about that because that's dope. You were friends and a follower of the band from the beginning and then ended up working your way into the role.
23:26 - Tyler (Host)
What was? It 2015 yep, yeah, it was five years after the band had already been playing uh, that I joined and I was the third keyboard player.
23:34 - Apple (Host)
Yeah, okay, so far third and final, let's leave it there man, yeah, third and final fine, fine, well, we were talking about that because you're like we had two keyboard players at once and I was like it sounds like you still do, okay.
23:51 - Aaron (Host)
So like, stick with me here. This is going to be a long way to ask a question.
23:56 - Speaker 6 (Other)
So you know.
23:58 - Aaron (Host)
So, like if you have a friend and that friend has a friend, and they introduce you to them, like, you're like well, what are they, what is that person like? And they're like, oh, he's funny, he's outgoing, he's, you know, he's super motivated, he's right. Yes, if the jaunty was a person and you were trying to describe what that person was like to somebody else, what would it be? Richard Simmons.
24:25 - Apple (Host)
Yeah, John the immediate answer. What would it?
24:26 - John (Guest)
be Richard.
24:27 - Apple (Host)
Simmons.
24:29 - John (Guest)
Immediate answer. Well done.
24:30 - Aaron (Host)
Perfect answer. There he is. I love it. That's a great answer. Yeah, next question, no no. Next question is why? Richard Simmons?
24:45 - Aaron (Host)
Oh, my God.
24:46 - John (Host)
I love that For me to know and you to find out.
24:50 - Apple (Host)
Yeah, you gotta go to the show.
24:52 - Caton (Host)
Come to the Goodfoot tonight, 9pm Doors.
24:56 - John (Guest)
Whenever?
24:57 - Caton (Host)
this comes out, we will have already played. I guess Is this live.
25:03 - Aaron (Host)
Fuck, I hope not. If it is, I blew it. So coming up to the Pacific Northwest, do you? I've been noticing since the pandemic more the Colorado music scene and the Pacific Northwest music scene are kind of hand in glove with each other a little bit more than they were before. It felt very like siloed, compartmentalized before and it doesn't feel like that now, you guys having that experience.
25:32 - Caton (Host)
Hard to say, because we only really came up here once or twice before. Okay, right, the pandemic.
25:38 - Tyler (Host)
Maybe even once.
25:40 - Aaron (Host)
And you've been up here twice since, right.
25:42 - Tyler (Host)
Yeah, or three times Three.
25:45 - Caton (Host)
Three. I think, oh, oh wow, um, yeah, it's nice up here, we like it yeah and um you know like. So for that reason we don't have a ton of musical connections up here, but um, it does seem, like you know, bands are um touring up here.
26:01 - Mel (Host)
More in general, I feel, like it feels like that too people.
26:04 - Apple (Host)
Yeah, we're seeing that a lot more, and that's why I was gonna thank you all for doing that, yeah because, we thank all the bands because it's tough. Pacific northwest too, where everything is far and few between.
26:16 - Caton (Host)
Yes, you got to travel a lot and that's not cheap, kind of like there's little isolated hubs throughout, like we've never made it down to california just because it's like so far from here, you know and it's a huge state.
26:27 - Aaron (Host)
It's huge yeah yeah, you spend all day driving across california and and it's like the same same thing as, yeah, like new york, so like I don't know that brings up a question then do you feel like a band that's in like I don't know Philly has an advantage to a band, say, in Colorado, as far as like ability to have exposure and get people to know them.
26:57 - Caton (Host)
I don't know. Like I said, I think the Denver scene isn't like necessarily scene isn't like necessarily, um, like I think I think it's good, because in places that are like a little bit more isolated, people are a little bit more maybe like hungry and rabid for the for the music that they like, right now.
27:16
So when people play there, it's like they're like very loud about it and, like you know, are boisterous. So it's like, whereas on the east coast, because there's so many cities and so many markets, there's just so much more competition and so many more bands okay, it's saturated yeah yeah, yeah, or like it's just harder to break through.
27:33
I guess, um, that makes sense because there's only so many rooms yeah, yeah, right, and that there are like like it is very nice that you can, like you know, get to so many different markets, even between, like, new york city and boston. You know what I mean? There's like a ton of different places you can play and not like compete or whatever, um, but it's just like harder to play in those places, I guess yeah, we whereas like if you go to like a small town, like outside of I don't know if you go to like netherland or something like, people come out and rage.
28:00 - Aaron (Host)
Because it's like a band came to town. Yeah, because a band came. Yeah, we, we moved up here how long ago, 2016 june 2016. That's when we did from vegas, oh wow. And vegas was very like that, like especially back when we were living there when a band came through.
28:21 - Mel (Host)
We fucking went you know what I mean. I was thirsty for that kind of music because it was like a lot of lounge acts and like just different kind of musicians there, so it wasn't really lending to the this scene so much well then, the weird crowds, like we always say, okay anything you went to there, especially if it's a bigger band, half the people that are there got like comp tickets.
28:43 - Apple (Host)
They don't really. They're not really there for the music.
28:45 - Mel (Host)
They're there they're there for an after party.
28:47 - Apple (Host)
Yeah, yeah so there's a whole lot of that. Oh my god, would you quit talking like? Yeah, they come up here and everybody is usually 100 there for the music. Did you guys experience it? How was eugene last night with good crowd?
29:01 - Caton (Host)
um yeah, yeah, it was good. Um, we've only played. That was our second time playing there, I guess where was it um big dirty? Dirty okay yeah for a first time playing there, second time playing in eugene, um so, um, that was good.
29:14 - Aaron (Host)
Yeah, good for that eugene's a weird heady, heady town there's some old growth fuzz in that city, man.
29:26
It's a. I remember when we first moved up here and like one of the first shows we went to I think it was Dark Star at the Roseland, yeah, possibly. And like if you've ever seen the Roseland Theater down downtown, it's like it's on the second floor of this building and you got to like kind of walk upstairs to get into the venue and it smells like an old, rickety building, like it smells like it's gonna fall down at any point. And when the show started I remember like kind of looking around and being like whoa, this, we're not in fucking kansas anymore. As far as like the crowd and what we were used to from being back home, like it looked like the forest shit an entire group of people out into this it was a dead like a dead show, yeah and and uh.
30:21
Immediately the vibe of that show was through the roof, whereas when we were back in vegas it would take well into the second set for you to be like, okay, now it's kicked in. You know what I mean? That is like first song, first set. Everybody's paying attention, the room shuts the fuck up and band's going and I I imagine that, like when you're touring around, you have um spots that you love. Right is there? Is there somewhere that stands out for you guys?
30:48 - Caton (Host)
a few of them. Yeah, probably you know, denver, that we ended up moving from the east coast to like be closer oh really kind of thing. Yeah, it's just like a, you know, a more welcoming environment for the type of music I guess yeah yeah, the band started in boston.
31:04 - Tyler (Host)
We were out there for a long time, but we all moved out to denver in 2017 because we we all moved out to Denver in 2017 because we'd been touring out in Denver and already pulling bigger numbers in Denver than we did in Boston.
31:14 - Mel (Host)
Right on.
31:15 - Tyler (Host)
So we were like let's do it. But then, besides those spots, cincinnati's always been a really great one to us. We've been playing there for over 10 years now, and Atlanta's always been a good one.
31:28 - Mel (Host)
um, also portland it's one of our favorite ones to come to right on.
31:32 - Tyler (Host)
Yeah, I've kind of got like sprinkled towns yeah around the us um what?
31:38 - Aaron (Host)
a what a trip, what a weird job you guys have weird job I. It never ceases to amaze me, like, especially with now, with social media. It's there's such a like proliferation of music out there and for any band to like rise above the cream now is is a trip. It's a trip to watch and it's it's got to be hard, right? What's the toughest part of doing this thing?
32:12 - Mel (Host)
I guess that would be different for everybody, though, right yeah yeah, I think it just varies.
32:18 - Caton (Host)
You know sometimes some things oh, yeah, and then you forget about those things because they're not as bad yeah sounds like something else, kind of so yeah yeah, just
32:26 - Tyler (Host)
like anything else. Really, it's sort of the hardest thing is really just keeping it going like the whole time, just always, like trying to think of something new to do or some new way to get attention or make some sort of like album or content or something you know, just like yeah, that's that you need to like.
32:43 - Caton (Host)
Constantly stay relevant, dude. Always. That means means constantly putting out stuff, so there's double pressure.
32:50 - Aaron (Host)
It's like not only do you have to be a talented musician and be able to write music and play together and tour and keep your shit together and all that, but now I have to be a master content creator on top of it and I need to do a fucking commercial for every show right, yeah yeah, it's like it's funny because sometimes, yeah, we like do a pretty good job of like you guys are great at it but.
33:19 - Caton (Host)
But then other times it's like we, you just get burnt out on it.
33:22 - Mel (Host)
Tell me about it fried on like every episode, okay. So, john, what's your motivation like? How do you stay motivated?
33:32 - John (Host)
personally, oh, I don't well but you're here participating sitting.
33:38 - Mel (Host)
So you somehow got up and took shower and got you know I, I just love music.
33:45 - John (Host)
At the end of the day, honestly, I'm dedicated to it I dedicate my life to it. What did that, jerry Garcia? I say that like half jokingly and half seriously, I understand.
34:01 - Mel (Host)
I want to hear that can I hear that about? What was it about? It like how? I know I've heard him too, babe, I get it, but maybe his way of saying it is the way that I want to hear.
34:19 - John (Host)
No, it's probably stereotypical.
34:21 - Mel (Host)
I saw the light I saw the light and that's it.
34:23 - Aaron (Host)
I was converted what was your, what was your first experience with Grateful Dead music?
34:29 - John (Host)
Oh man, the first time I took acid.
34:40 - Caton (Host)
I saw Phil Lash and Trey and Mike in Jersey in 2006. What, what's that? That's you. I didn't even know Before you guys knew each other, but yeah.
34:45 - John (Host)
That's wild. And so I didn't even know who the fuck Phil Lesh Was. Honestly and like.
34:51 - Speaker 6 (Other)
Who's this?
34:51 - Mel (Host)
old guy, who's the bass?
34:54 - John (Host)
That I would say that concert Changed my life.
34:56 - Mel (Host)
Oh.
34:56 - Aaron (Host)
Totally get it. Yeah, you leave there like.
34:59 - John (Guest)
Yeah, eyes open, yeah, okay exactly.
35:03 - John (Host)
You were.
35:03 - Mel (Host)
Wait, were you already playing music or not?
35:05 - John (Host)
I was, yeah, I played guitar in a band in high school. Was that show like?
35:10 - Aaron (Host)
when that happened Was that you were like I'm fucking doing this Kind of honestly yeah.
35:17 - John (Host)
I get it.
35:18 - Mel (Host)
Gave you direction. Yeah, my first show Right on man.
35:21 - Aaron (Host)
I sold everything I owned.
35:23 - Mel (Host)
Seriously, I sold all my shit and bought a school bus.
35:26 - Aaron (Host)
I was like you guys, you guys are gonna have to kill me to get rid of me exactly, yeah alright, everybody else. What's your why?
35:36 - John (Guest)
well, really I said the motivator it was what motivates you.
35:40 - Mel (Host)
You know like, or how do you bring your own motivation? Cause sometimes I know like you're going about life fine, doing everything right and good with your job and your family, and then, like it gets stale and you like need. It's not that you don't appreciate it, you're not grateful, it's just like yeah, you know.
35:56 - Caton (Host)
I think like um, I really like to like it's. You can get like excitement from like playing things. You know like it's a kind of like an exciting thing when you're doing something like intricate or like you know doing, applying something that you practiced or something like that and like I, kind of chased, that feeling of like, like accomplishing something that you like worked on, you know that kind of thing and um, that is like the musical thing that keeps me going.
36:23
It's just like wanting to keep playing that and doing that feeling. But you're right, it does just feel like work sometimes, you know yeah really, you just have to like push through, I guess when it feels like well, as a musician, there's no.
36:34 - Aaron (Host)
Like I did it right, there's always better. Like I remember we talked to billy strings during the pandemic and I was like do you feel like you need to practice anymore, like you're fucking billy strings? You did it and he was like dude, do you feel like you need to practice anymore, like you're fucking Billy Strings? You did it and he was like dude. There's so many players that are so much better than me. Fuck, yeah, I feel like that. Yeah, there's no like I did it. I'm there, I made it.
36:57 - Mel (Host)
Well, I think that's the appeal right. There's always something more you can learn or share, or do or make up or create. And it do or make up or create and it's like good stuff and it makes you like you said feel good and that's back to the music. You love it like it's, it's in you to feel like I guess that's yeah, the motivation to feel that again yeah, exactly, it's pretty like indescribable kind of like life there's not a finish line yeah, well, yeah, there's a finish line.
37:25 - Aaron (Host)
Well, I mean, as far as the music, well, yeah, you don't have to say so in that I'm talking about.
37:30 - Apple (Host)
When you're going like oh okay, we're done, we played here, we did that, we're done now I'm the best.
37:38 - Aaron (Host)
Yeah, and the best is subjective.
37:40 - Caton (Host)
Yeah, so everybody too there's always some sub-genre, some other rabbit hole to go down. Someone's better at it. What about you?
37:48 - Scott (Guest)
My motivation? Yeah, yeah, I think I just enjoy the process of being in a band and practicing and having something that we're all working on. I enjoy writing songs and I enjoy the process of learning those songs and teaching songs to people.
38:13 - Mel (Host)
That's cool, you're a teacher.
38:16 - Scott (Guest)
Yeah, I guess. So I enjoy that aspect of it. And yeah, just loving music and I don't know, it's one of the few joys in life. Totally, it's fun to work at it and improve at things.
38:34 - Aaron (Host)
You said just being in a band with your brothers here. If you think about the world that we live in and the way our society is, there isn't very many things like that. Like I work for a telecommunications company, I don't have a band of brothers that I go to work with every day. I have a bunch of fucking coworkers that I can barely stand.
38:59 - Mel (Host)
But that's not the story for everybody. Yeah, no, it's not.
39:03 - Aaron (Host)
But, if you think about you know people going to work every day and most people listen to the podcast that's not. But if you think about you know people going to work every day and most people listen. It's a lot of people story. That's not the case. Like they don't have. You guys are fucking super fortunate to have this thing that you have it's and it's dope. Yeah, it's not like some wishy-washy silly thing. It's, there's power in what the john t does.
39:22 - Scott (Guest)
There's it's dope yeah, yeah, so yeah, yeah, yeah, we're all. We're lucky that we all get along.
39:32 - Caton (Host)
You know, I think we don't take things too, too seriously.
39:35 - Scott (Guest)
Yeah.
39:35 - Caton (Host)
Which is the?
39:36 - Apple (Host)
most important thing, for sure, which is good, yeah, when you're cooped up in a bus and everything. And then, and then you, you joined in 2015 also, or 2012, I joined 2012. Okay, in 2015 also, or 2012, I joined 2012, okay, so, yeah, okay. So you guys have over a decade under your belt and almost a decade with Tyler now, that's that feels good to like.
39:56 - Mel (Host)
Have something like behind your feet, like that, like you dedicated your life to something for that long definitely me and John met when we were 18 or something.
40:05 - Caton (Host)
I think yeah, at a Phil Les show and didn.
40:08 - Aaron (Host)
Me and John met when we were 18 or something. I think yeah At a.
40:10 - John (Guest)
Phil Les show and didn't even know him. We were barely 17 and we were barely dressed. Okay, I got to hear the story. No, no, that was a meatloaf. That was a meatloaf.
40:19 - John (Host)
Yeah, no, so I've known Caden. I went to school in Mount St Mary's, which is right near Gettysburg. Caden's from Gettysburg, so we're mutual friends. Shout out Matt Hawker.
40:30 - Mel (Host)
Shout out Matt, who introduced me to.
40:32 - John (Host)
Caden and a bunch of other kids from Gettysburg Like-minded individuals.
40:37 - Mel (Host)
He brought you into the fold. Yeah, yeah.
40:40 - John (Host)
So me and Caden would play music, just covers and stuff at frat houses at Gettysburg College. And then, um, caden moved to go to Berkeley in Boston and I stayed at that school for another semester, ended up leaving Um. So Caden went to Berkeley, met Scott, they formed the jaunty and then I ended up leaving that school Matt St Mary's going to a school right near Boston. Basically I moved to Boston. Happened to move like three blocks away from Caton, did you know?
41:11
I didn't know. I got the spot and then I hit up Caton and I was just like where do you live? Hoping that it was somewhere within 30 minutes. I had someone I knew.
41:22 - Mel (Host)
I'm moving to a new city.
41:23 - John (Host)
There's somebody I know there. Home base kind of of yeah and then it was like three blocks away, and then that is.
41:29 - Mel (Host)
I mean that's the dream man.
41:31 - Aaron (Host)
Yeah, have you stopped to think about like the synchronicity and the weirdness of like he was at your first show and yeah?
41:38 - John (Host)
all that like it's great.
41:39 - Aaron (Host)
It's really weird. That's super cool, yeah, super cool. Universe is right.
41:42 - Tyler (Host)
Yeah, it's like kind of keeping you together for a reason. Right, there was another Grateful Dead situation that we I think me and you two were at that. We didn't know each other. All good, 2010.
41:53 - Caton (Host)
I was there. Yeah, john was there.
41:55 - Tyler (Host)
John was there. Yeah, we were all there.
41:57 - Caton (Host)
We get around.
41:57 - John (Host)
I didn't have any of them yet, but further played.
42:00 - Aaron (Host)
you know, Phil Lush was there, so Phil is the godfather of the John T.
42:08 - Caton (Host)
We were also at that same DC for the show. I remember that I ran into you outside Dang, Ran into my drug counselor outside too. Swear to God.
42:18 - Aaron (Host)
At a fucking dead show, at a dead show yeah. He was like this he was like doses.
42:23 - Caton (Host)
Molly.
42:24 - Mel (Host)
Ice cold, fatty, yeah, yeah Tickets mushrooms, wow who will finger up ice cold, fatty yeah yeah, tickets, mushrooms wow that's who will finger up, yeah, who have we?
42:34 - Aaron (Host)
who have we not heard their, their motivation?
42:37 - Tyler (Host)
Tyler, tyler's turn um yeah, I guess my I don't know my motivation obviously changed through the years. I've always loved playing music.
42:45 - Mel (Host)
Um, I've been doing it since I was probably like first or second grade I started playing music that is so cute a little because I have a grandson who's five and I'm thinking, oh, that's like six or seven, like that's adorable, getting into music at that, that's like that means you feel it. You know, you can't make a kid like that age do something, don't fake it. Yeah, like you can't make it like if they're not interested in it, they're just gonna do some other stuff. You know what I mean. But if you're into it, you're into it yeah, I've always really sought it out.
43:17 - Tyler (Host)
Um, and I ended up going to a performing arts high school and like doing like the jazz program and everything through high school ended up at berkeley with kate and and Scott and I was actually a guitar major. Me and Caden had guitar classes together what guitar many yeah.
43:32
Brett Wilmot shout out but um, yeah, I mean lately, though my motivation for like keeping it going and keep it doing it is just like I mean playing music and doing having an original project that you can dedicate effort to is just like it feels like air to me, just like you need water, you need air, you need a creative outlet.
43:52 - Aaron (Host)
Wow, we were just. Mel and I had like a talk this morning for you, like laying in bed getting ready to get up and get into the day, and like when you're doing something that, like you're passionate about and and you love it. There's times when it gets fucking hard. It gets really difficult, like especially if you start playing the comparison game in any way at all.
44:20 - Mel (Host)
It's poison, it dude aaron this morning was talking about how he was just feeling, you know, discouraged. Discouraged was the word.
44:29 - John (Guest)
Yeah.
44:30 - Mel (Host)
And I was like we're doing the dopest stuff right now that we've ever done, since we've been doing no Simple Road. I was like I was looking back at this book and I was like, oh my God, we've got these incredible people that do Reggie Watts, tyler Ramsey, like it looks like it's almost full also, yeah, we just had bobby vega on.
44:51
Like these incredible shook twins, like amazing people, and not just that, but like amazing conversations. Like, seriously, if you love any one of the people that we've had on the show and you go back and listen to an episode, there's always some dope nuggets that they've like left in there in the episode of like how people met, or like their practice or like, but when you're in the middle of creating something you're, you know, I don't see that like, do you guys?
45:20 - Aaron (Host)
you don't? Do you see the ripple that you have?
45:22 - Caton (Host)
it's easy to lose sight of, for sure. So easy like you just have to take. You have to take time to like, remind yourself of things for sure. Yeah, cause that.
45:31 - Mel (Host)
I think that's right there. What you said, um Caden, is the antidote to how you're feeling. You know you have to kind of reflect back, be like what am I even doing this stupid shit for Whatever you like, kick. And then you like look back and you're like, oh shit that was like three sold out dates.
45:57 - Aaron (Host)
We sold so much merch that song got downloaded. What am I tripping on?
45:58 - Mel (Host)
like I'm just I'm fatigued, I need to be reminded. Let's go to fish mexico.
46:00 - Caton (Host)
Fuck yeah, okay, and like you know, reminding yourself that you do it for, like the love of the game, or whatever well, that was, that was what I said to, as actually what I said to her.
46:07 - Apple (Host)
I was like if we weren't doing it, it would be bad for the three of us yeah, like this is our therapy dude what I'm sure, you guys did like we really welcome a break, when we get a break when we're recording a lot and it's like, oh, we have a weekend off, right and then we're in here within hour we're like fuck, like what do I do? Type thing, like like you want the break, but then when you get it it's like well, now we're not doing the. Thing right like what the fuck? That joy, that feeling, and then that too. When we get that, can build like yeah, I can like build anticipation yeah, if you yeah
46:41 - Aaron (Host)
if you allow it to.
46:41 - Caton (Host)
You know that's true and it's like to tyler's point earlier as well. I think it's like it's also kind of remarkable to find people that are all willing to work on the same thing.
46:51 - Mel (Host)
Yes.
46:52 - Caton (Host)
And like at the same time and like coordinate things like that, like through playing with different bands in Denver. It's like it's hard enough to get three other dudes to like learn a list of like songs that are already like out there.
47:05 - Tyler (Host)
You know, you don't even try to get a rehearsal together. Yeah, we can't get a rehearsal, you know.
47:09 - Caton (Host)
So like just like, yeah, like we're just knowing that it's like everybody's dedicating time to like work on original music that, like we all know will take time to perfect and like we'll take time to understand, and then like all that extra effort about, like you know, the marketing and the content and all that stuff. It like we're all like trying to like pull weight and you know it's just like it's pretty amazing. The four people do the same thing. It's pretty amazing Three people are willing to like do all this work for you know, yeah, so you're right.
47:36 - Apple (Host)
So reminding yourself about that, I think, is is really Another reminder we get to is like we just say, like getting down, about every getting on your side Seems like almost every time we get down, like why are we fucking doing this? I'll send an email or a review or a comment from a listener.
47:55 - Mel (Host)
And that literally happened, or something.
47:56 - John (Guest)
Does that happen for you guys yeah. A little bit of gas.
47:59 - Caton (Host)
Yes.
48:02 - Aaron (Host)
Like you said, though, the comparison thing is poison. Oh yeah, and it's got to be so hard as a band, because you love music and you want to listen to other people playing it.
48:14 - Caton (Host)
Right right.
48:18 - Aaron (Host)
How do you?
48:18 - Caton (Host)
manage your expectations. When it comes to that, yeah, I don't know. That's probably pretty personal for each person person. For me, it's literally just like pretty much what I just said about. Just like um, the more, the longer you do it too, the like the more you get like you, just like you rediscover your passion or your love for it or whatever, and then you can just kind of like, hopefully, take it less seriously because, then like I don't know, just like any type of anger that you bring into it, it's just, it's not gonna like help the music so if you really want the music to do well it's
48:50 - Aaron (Host)
just like be there for the music, Unless you're in a metal band. A band named.
48:54 - Mel (Host)
The.
48:54 - Aaron (Host)
Jaunty is not playing angry music.
48:57 - Mel (Host)
Well, maybe sometimes on the dark side.
48:59 - Caton (Host)
You can play aggressive music like Disney music, but not angrily.
49:05 - Aaron (Host)
You can enjoy it, I get it yeah.
49:09 - Caton (Host)
Or like if you're just distracted by anger, I guess.
49:11 - Mel (Host)
Yeah.
49:11 - Scott (Guest)
Yes, but yeah, I think over the years I've just expectations have been. I would used to get more frustrated about how I played or how we played or how how many people were there, and it's kind of just like we're gonna do this regardless yeah, no matter what has happened, just have fun right and yeah, try to try to play well, you know yeah try to make good music that's good for life
49:40 - Aaron (Host)
yeah, I go through that. I go through these ebbs and flows of that of like, fuck it, we're doing this for us. Like whatever, I don't care if eight people listen, who gives a shit.
49:51 - Aaron (Host)
And then there's times where it's like what the fuck we've been doing this well I did want people to listen, yeah but not screaming into a void for no reason yeah, it's gotta be like.
50:08 - Aaron (Host)
I think, at the end of the day, whatever you're doing, especially anything artistic or passion generated, it's got to be for you first, and if it's not, it's fucking bullshit.
50:20 - Mel (Host)
Yeah, pretty much yeah okay, so maybe, um, it's I I don't think it's the same question, but, like, what kind of inspiration are you drawing from lately? You know, like, is there something that you're like digging on, like seeing, reading, you know, listening to that's like giving you some wind beneath your wings Rick Rubin's book. I was gonna say that it's around here somewhere, I love that it's an amazing book yeah, it's around here somewhere.
50:46 - Caton (Host)
I love that. It's an amazing, so good, and that's inspiration wise, creativity wise. I think that's like been a big one recently okay anybody else. I'm gonna have to read that book that's come up so many times now you don't even have to, like sit down and read the whole thing no, just like open it up, read a couple little nuggets and then for me, I can't.
51:08 - Aaron (Host)
I have to go like one little chapter at a time and then digest what I read. Yes, he's, that guy is from another planet. Yeah, I'm definitely convinced he's like an incarnation of the buddha or something, but for music he has the look too.
51:26 - Caton (Host)
Yeah, a little bit that clip there's a great clip of him uh like talking to flea, about like playing some bass line and, like you know, he talks about how he doesn't like know music at all.
51:37
He like doesn't know what he's doing at all um, and he's like singing it to him and it really does sound like he has no idea, but like it makes total sense. And then you're like, oh yeah, like I hear the bass line and what he's talking about, but he doesn't know how to like actually musically describe it. It's pretty amazing, you know.
51:53 - Aaron (Host)
It's cool that he's just like tapped into it, even though he's not like a musician per se, you know I think that's a great example of like somebody doing what they're put on the planet to do like all the, all the mechanics of music, like note reading music and knowing how to communicate the musical language of somebody else, all that is gone and it's just the, the person that is like totally in their shit, yeah, doing what they need to do.
52:24 - Caton (Host)
Yeah, and I kind of um like I always feel like one of the most important people in like the music process is like the passive listener. That like doesn't. That isn't a musician, you know like I feel like musicians are like like I always like sort of am analyzing music in some way, you know, but if it's really just like you have no idea musically what's going on and you're just like feeling it, it's like that's like that's what, that's what's so amazing about music is that one person can like perform it and the other person can feel it, even if they have no idea what's going on.
52:53
So it's like he's kind of that, like he is that kind of you know he can play a little bit but he's like a passive listener that also happens to know how to like, channel it into something, like he knows how to take it from the musician and put it into like his world or whatever.
53:07 - Tyler (Host)
I don't know the final form of passive listeners.
53:09 - Aaron (Host)
Yeah, yeah, final evolution I, I, uh, I remember my first dead show and being so blown away that, like there was no break between songs and like how the did they do that, knowing there was no set list, you know what I mean? Or like how did they all know to change tempo right away, or whatever.
53:36
I was like they're, they're, they're all on acid they're telepathic you know, whatever my 18 year old head trip was, and, uh, I remember a couple years ago um seeing god. I can't remember his name. It's anatomy of a jam, if amar yeah, I'm here, yeah, yeah watching anatomy of a jam and like feeling like this is just for me, like I was doing something I shouldn't be doing.
54:08 - Caton (Host)
Like if I do this, it's going to break the magic, break the magic for me, and does it, does it feel like that there's some truth to that?
54:17 - Aaron (Host)
I think yeah, um like that's funny that you knew what I meant.
54:25 - Caton (Host)
Yeah, yeah, it's, it's. It's like hard to describe, I don't know. It's like when, when, when bands do it like do something first, like when fish does like got their sound like dialed in and like the way that like trey plays and stuff, it's like it's so like um, like right there for the taking kind of thing, like he's like just perfected this like rock guitar thing, I think you know, and um, and then it's like a lot of people do that same thing and so therefore, because he's already done it, you can just kind of see where they're going to take it sometimes, and so I think it's like maybe in that sense, like as a guitar player, I guess that kind of thing can kind of make me a little jaded.
55:02
I guess, yeah, but at the same time it's like there's no formula to it. I guess, yeah, but at the same time it's like you know there's no formula to it?
55:13 - Aaron (Host)
I guess no, but like knowing, like okay, the trill happened, so now the jam's going to stop, or like right, fuck, I didn't want to know that. It's like kind of like peeking at the Christmas present under the tree Like right, I saw the, I saw the Lego thing, Now I know I'm getting fucking Legos. God damn, it Shouldn't have peaked Right.
55:32 - Tyler (Host)
Yeah, I feel like the the magic thing like there's there's definitely bands that do it and there's definitely bands that have it. But I feel like there's like especially nowadays with a lot of modern technology on stage, in ears and talk backs you know stuff like that Like someone turns around and just talks to this other microphone.
55:54
And then all of a sudden the band switches keys or something like that. You know, like that's like when I feel like moments are like losing, like that magic and like even like I've had, I've had like qualms with it within our playing too, like there's sometimes a word jam. We don't do talkback mics, um, but uh, we, uh. I mean, sometimes we'll like like hey, and you'll look over and you'll be like oh, like key of like g or something and then we'll switch off or something like that, like sure it doesn't.
56:20
It doesn't sound bad, you know, and we'll like make it work, but I'd much rather like just maybe hear someone start to shift a tonality in that direction and then try and maybe we do like eventually do that modulation as a band. But it's kind of a bit more about those like those moments of like at that, where you're actually diving into the unknown and taking risks.
56:43 - Apple (Host)
It happens organically Right.
56:48 - Caton (Host)
We do achieve that at times. I think the caveat is sometimes that requires excellent sound. Exactly Like sound on stage excellent sound, exactly like sound on stage. Yes, like to be really, really dialed in. Yes, like improvisationally. You just have to not be worried about like what it sounds like, you know it just, it just has to sound natural to you and like clear and you can hear everything.
57:12
Yeah, that makes sense um, because if not, it's like if one person can't hear one person, then that's like one line of communication you've got one cog in the thing right turning, right, right, right.
57:23 - Aaron (Host)
Wow, which is like you thought of that.
57:24 - Caton (Host)
Yeah, which is like not not to say that it can't be done, but it's like little nuances, like pushing towards a key changer, are more difficult if you can't hear well or dynamic shifts.
57:34 - Tyler (Host)
I know there's been some shows like playing festivals, like run and gun sound. Don't get like a two minute two second sound check just to make sure everything works and then we get like I know there's like moments where, like we get like maybe like me and john and kate are on the same dynamic page, but like scott's like on the drums, like five feet back from us and his monitor's blasting and like he like, like, he's kind of like playing loud hell like we're not playing loud, tell how loud.
57:59
Yeah, stuff like that happens, so it makes true improvisation definitely difficult.
58:04 - Mel (Host)
It really puts you on the fly for real yeah.
58:08 - Tyler (Host)
But lately we have started doing more of the technological thing, like bringing our own mixer and a split snake and taking care of all our own mixes on stage ourselves with our iPads and stuff.
58:19 - Mel (Host)
In the moment.
58:20 - Tyler (Host)
In the moment. Yeah, it does add kind of a little juggling act, but once you get used to it it ends up being nicer and more consistent night to night, like the two shows so far. The first night I got my mix all dialed in I'm the only one with in-ear monitors, but I got my mix all dialed in.
58:43 - Caton (Host)
and the next night we fired up the mixer and my mix was saved from the night before and I really only had to adjust like the master volume a little bit and it was like I was ready to go wow, consistency is nice.
58:47 - Aaron (Host)
See, I never even thought of that, of like how this. I always thought when you guys go to sound check it was for the room only. Oh no, I didn't. I never even considered that.
59:00 - Tyler (Host)
In our case, that's just one fifth of the equation. We got five mixes. They got the mix for the front of the house and if we're all on monitors, then there's a mix for Kate and the mix for John, the mix for Scott, the mix for me, whoa, we got to iron out.
59:13 - Caton (Host)
So yeah, kind of a typical method is through whatever instrument they ask for, and then somebody else, or the person that's in the front, asks you like how much of that do you want?
59:21
and you like tell them by, like raising your arm or up or down, and um, it's really inaccurate they're kind of like trying to hurry through because they want to get like you know they stay on the schedule and stuff, but it's like you need like tiny adjustments and they're like moving it too far or you know they don't move it enough. Um, so really the thing is we can really dial in our own sound like really easily.
59:42 - Tyler (Host)
So it is, um, it has gotten a lot better yep, and I feel like our communication on stage has gotten better, like especially nights where it's really on.
59:49 - Apple (Host)
It's been like really, really on, it's been sweet well, I imagine too, like you coming in and doing that, that that they also appreciate that, because like's like we got this, we got our sound Most sound guys who know what they're doing, they're like oh, let's work for me.
01:00:06 - Tyler (Host)
Great. There's definitely sound guys out there who have never seen that kind of rig before and they just have a meltdown. They're just like oh my god, no, we can't do that. Then you explain it, and then everything's okay.
01:00:20 - Caton (Host)
Everybody calms down take it easy, champ yeah we'll find out what tonight is like.
01:00:25 - Aaron (Host)
Yeah, I'm excited good foot's cool, good foot's always yeah that's a cool, fun little room yeah, we've.
01:00:30 - Tyler (Host)
It's probably our maybe fifth show there now, oh wow, fourth maybe, maybe, third no, definitely definitely. Third, we've had a. We have a band camp release from the good foot from well, there we go 2019 or something like that. It gets dank in that little, I guess the last couple times we've been in portland have been at the. What's the name of the?
01:00:49 - Aaron (Host)
other place they get down. Yeah, yeah, that's where I saw you last time. We just found out that place has meyer sound in it.
01:00:55
I was oh, yeah, whoa, yeah, yeah, serious yeah, it wasn't, cha-ching yeah, um, you know, knowing about how it's all put together and like the onstage stuff and the sound, I guess in one way, like you said, it could ruin the magic for you. But but then on the on the flip side of that, like it kind of takes it to another level too, because there's a whole other thing going on that you didn't know about.
01:01:27 - Caton (Host)
Right.
01:01:28 - Aaron (Host)
That if you're listening, if you have the ears to hear it, you can hear it going down, and it's that's pretty fucking magical to be able to communicate with sound waves to other.
01:01:40 - Tyler (Host)
that's, that's a trippy thing to be able to do it's mind-blowing, especially with like a long musical relationship like ours. There's even things that like we can like, like when you know someone for a long time, you like start, you like know the little phrases they say and you start to like pick up on things. So like we that happens musically and like there'll be like we're doing something we're jamming and all of a sudden caton plays this little rhythm that I've heard him play a bunch of times and all of a sudden we know to like stop on the one, or I don't know.
01:02:07 - Caton (Host)
Just like weird stuff like that that just, yeah, just comes out, that's fun and probably like if you ever done like deep dives on live performances of like the dead or fish or even, like you know, jazz players and stuff, it's like they you hear that. It's like they have, like you know, their vocabulary like morphs over time and like, the more you play with someone that knows your vocabulary, then like your vocabulary can kind of morph together and then you like get become more intertwined and stuff like that and you know new ideas develop, um, but you kind of still know where it's going to go, that kind of thing. So it's like, um, really, uh, it's just like over over time you can kind of hear people influence each other and hear like new influences get brought in and how that spreads over into the other players, stuff like that.
01:02:52 - Aaron (Host)
It's pretty cool is it difficult to hone your own style when you're listening to other people's music, to not have other people's sound bleed into your own?
01:03:06 - Caton (Host)
I think that's kind of an important aspect of it.
01:03:08 - Speaker 6 (Other)
Me too.
01:03:10 - Caton (Host)
That's kind of how you develop your own style, I think.
01:03:13 - Aaron (Host)
Okay.
01:03:14 - Caton (Host)
It's like you pick and attach yourself to the things that you like and then, as the things that you like and then as like as the things that you like grow and expand, your own voice gets a little bit more unique, I guess yeah um and uh yeah, is it.
01:03:30 - Aaron (Host)
Is it like that with the drums too?
01:03:33 - Scott (Guest)
yeah, I think, um, it's a matter of, yeah, just taking in different influence and just practicing a bunch and being able to, yeah, practice enough that you can regurgitate what you practiced without thinking and it just kind of happens in an organic way.
01:03:51 - Caton (Host)
Yeah, like the way in which you like you can practice something identically to. You know how it sounds when you're like trying to learn it or whatever, and play it a bunch of times, but then when you finally are like letting it come out in a way that you're not like, all right, one, two, three and like start and just perform the thing that you've practiced.
01:04:06
When you finally kind of get past that and it starts to come out organically, then it's, it's like it's not gonna come out in the way that you learned it, you know it's just like it's filtered through you exactly exactly so once you distill it, even though it's a direct idea, maybe it's still performed by you in your own style and you put your own kind of thing on it.
01:04:27 - Tyler (Host)
Do that with a bunch of different artists over five to ten years and all of a sudden you've got your own sound.
01:04:33 - Mel (Host)
Yeah, and it's always going to be unique, because no one knows except for you what inspires you about that artist or how you associate it with other things that you you know techniques and things that you've learned again back to you.
01:04:48 - Aaron (Host)
Guys have the coolest, trippiest job on the planet like you're making people feel with sound.
01:04:54 - Caton (Host)
That's the craziest shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like really important and not important at all well, you know what, though I beg to differ.
01:05:05 - Mel (Host)
But it's going back to the not taking yourself so seriously type thing, it's like yeah, what we're doing is super dope and it is definitely needed. We found out through the pandemic but, then also, you literally didn't need it to survive.
01:05:18 - Aaron (Host)
You needed other things so you could have gotten through it just wasn't very fun without it you know, yeah right, I, I can't imagine a world without music in it, like it wouldn't. It would like be living with no color or something. It just wouldn't be the same it just happened, so naturally too.
01:05:40 - Mel (Host)
You know, like you could just be in the kitchen and you drop something and it sounds like something, and now you start.
01:05:44 - Aaron (Host)
You know, hit not, you know like it's natural you don't even have to be in a band to be, you know like kind of like it encompasses you and as far as like it being necessary, this is weird and petty or whatever, but like I watched this whole clip thing about drumming, like indigenous tribes drumming I was just about to say something with the mycelium check this out.
01:06:14
I don't know what that means the drumming the drumming, the vibration of the drums, the frequency of the drums made the mycelium grow, and that mycelial network is how all the plants communicate. So the plants were better able to communicate with each other and get nutrients and water to each other that they needed because of human interaction. And drumming. Blow my mind right now yeah, so that was like a the eat. We're part of the ecosystem and music was integral in the health and vitality of the forest when we were living in tribes.
01:07:01 - Mel (Host)
So I was like it's like water and air.
01:07:05 - Aaron (Host)
It's it's got to be the same now for us, like if it's doing that for the forest floor, it's got to be doing that for our bodies and our brains and our cells yeah, we're not separate from nature.
01:07:16 - Mel (Host)
Yeah there's.
01:07:17 - Caton (Host)
there's that like clip of that jazz piano guy playing. He's super, super old, just has advanced dementia and he just starts playing jazz lines.
01:07:27 - Aaron (Host)
Ripping.
01:07:27 - Caton (Host)
Yeah, he's just in it. Yeah, it's pretty wild. That's incredible.
01:07:33 - Tyler (Host)
I really like dementia patients who hear music from their time and all of a sudden they remember their daughter's name and stuff like that.
01:07:38 - Aaron (Host)
Oh yeah, there's a movie about the Grateful Dead who hear music from their time and all of a sudden they remember their daughter's name and stuff like that. There's a movie about the Grateful Dead and this kid that fuck, I can't remember if he got in an accident or whatever.
01:07:50 - Apple (Host)
He's like in a coma.
01:07:51 - Aaron (Host)
But he comes out and he's fucked up, he can't talk and he's all messed up and his dad kid's a deadhead and his dad kids a deadhead. And his dad brings American Beauty in and starts playing American Beauty and dudes like oh, this is my favorite song. Starts responding and totally normal music off Back then. It's like a true story of this Jesus.
01:08:15 - John (Guest)
Yeah, it's called the music never stop. That's it, yeah, it's called. The music never stops it.
01:08:24 - Apple (Host)
It's crazy intense yeah good flick, so yeah.
01:08:30 - Aaron (Host)
You never know to somebody might be All right. Well, I know we only have an hour with you guys, so I'm gonna ask a completely stupid question before we go Bring it.
01:08:39 - John (Guest)
Bring it I love that Come on.
01:08:41 - Aaron (Host)
This is a staple that we've asked a few times now. It's 3 o'clock in the morning and you're driving, and you've got the late-night shift driving and you stop at a gas station to get a snack and a coffee. What's your go-to?
01:08:59 - Mel (Host)
Or maybe an energy drink, whatever that is.
01:09:01 - Tyler (Host)
First of all, I'll start with saying this is definitely completely hypothetical, because we don't do night shifts.
01:09:07 - Aaron (Host)
Okay, that's good.
01:09:11 - Scott (Guest)
We have been driving at 3 am before.
01:09:13 - Tyler (Host)
Yeah, I mean on the way to a hotel from the gig, though we never do like the real one Overnight.
01:09:17 - John (Guest)
I know some bands who do.
01:09:19 - Tyler (Host)
They'll just like pocket and I they're. They're crazy.
01:09:23 - Aaron (Host)
What's your go-to?
01:09:24 - Tyler (Host)
Oh my go-to oh man, lately it's a unsweetened black tea. If anyone's it's. Especially in the Southeast, it's hard to find any. Any tea without sugar. It's crazy and like a granola bar. Actually, I get. I get meat sticks and cheese sticks a lot. That's, that's my thing Like black black tea and meat and cheese sticks. That's pretty much it. I used to be a gummy bear maniac, but then I, you know, had to get some teeth pulled and oh no, oh yeah, gummy bears.
01:09:53 - Mel (Host)
That's the best reason to stop eating those Dude Eating those.
01:09:57 - Aaron (Host)
Do you know what Whole30 is?
01:09:59 - John (Guest)
No no.
01:10:00 - Aaron (Host)
It's like this elimination diet thing where you don't eat sugar for 30 days.
01:10:07 - Mel (Host)
All you eat is meat, fruit, vegetables, you know about this, john no Meat fruit vegetables.
01:10:11 - John (Guest)
It is scary.
01:10:11 - Aaron (Host)
And seeds, seeds, that's it for 30 days and we've been doing that.
01:10:18 - John (Guest)
And we're on like day 26 today.
01:10:22 - Aaron (Host)
So I feel awesome. So the no sugar thing yeah.
01:10:26 - Tyler (Host)
I'm pretty natural with the no sugar thing. Nowadays I don't really process sugars very much, it's just like fruit and things like that.
01:10:32 - John (Guest)
Yeah, yeah.
01:10:34 - Tyler (Host)
It makes it. It makes it hard at gas stations, though.
01:10:36 - Aaron (Host)
Oh yeah, that's one of the reasons that I started asking this question. When we started doing this, I was like what do you?
01:10:40 - Apple (Host)
do? I've never read labels in my life. I'm going through this I'm looking.
01:10:45 - John (Guest)
It's like I can't have anything it's got fucking shit in it.
01:10:49 - Apple (Host)
I found something sweet. We had nope Fruit.
01:10:53 - Scott (Guest)
What's yours. I like to see what Kaden gets.
01:10:57 - Mel (Host)
It. I like to see what Caden gets. It's true. It's true. That's your order based on what he gets.
01:11:02 - Scott (Guest)
Yes, caden's the best at getting snacks. Like every time I'll get a snack, then Caden will come back. I'll be like damn it, why didn't I get that? I feel like that's. I'll just wait and see what he gets Okay.
01:11:15 - Apple (Host)
We do that at restaurants. We've been friends for like 40 years and we're always like you order first, we have it down to like three things each and it's like no, you go. I want to see what you're going to get, because I'm going to ask for a bite, probably.
01:11:32 - John (Host)
What's yours? I'm like Wasabi and soy sauce almond guy.
01:11:40 - Aaron (Host)
Oh, wow, okay, that's a new one.
01:11:42 - John (Host)
I like hot dogs.
01:11:46 - Tyler (Host)
Yeah, gas station hot dogs, both of you guys are hot dogs Killing him with the farts in the van.
01:11:52 - John (Host)
I'm a gentleman.
01:11:54 - Mel (Host)
Good job.
01:11:55 - Scott (Guest)
Yeah that I feel like John will be a good boy for a long time and then he'll be like Off the rails. It's either. It's either like.
01:12:02 - John (Host)
You know, a banana and like a bag of almonds, or like Reese's cups and a hot dog.
01:12:07 - Apple (Host)
Okay.
01:12:08 - Aaron (Host)
There's no, there's no gray area there.
01:12:09 - Apple (Host)
One extreme or the other.
01:12:11 - John (Host)
Yeah, alright.
01:12:12 - Apple (Host)
Duality of man. God Wait, why do you have to mention that I really want a Reese's?
01:12:17 - Aaron (Host)
Yeah, all right, let's hear a snack.
01:12:20 - Caton (Host)
Sensei, I'll start with a Red Bull. I got to get off those things, though, and, honestly, I just I walk through the aisles and just let the wind take me where it will.
01:12:30 - Aaron (Host)
Oh wow, you let the snack sing yeah.
01:12:33 - John (Host)
With.
01:12:34 - Aaron (Host)
Scott in his wake.
01:12:35 - John (Host)
Yeah.
01:12:36 - Aaron (Host)
Behind his shoulder.
01:12:40 - Scott (Guest)
That's him through at the wake.
01:12:41 - Mel (Host)
Behind his shoulder. Caden's not afraid to spend a good $20 to $30 on a gasoline Dang. So you get one of everything.
01:12:46 - Aaron (Host)
I parcel them out, and he's one of these and for all you listening, he's fucking like a thin dude too.
01:12:52 - John (Guest)
Not fair.
01:12:55 - Caton (Host)
Yeah, it's bad sometimes. Wow, but um yeah, I'm gonna eat. What did I? Yeah, I'm going to eat really well tomorrow, though, you'll make up for it, make up for it, yeah, so okay, I'm going to.
01:13:08 - Aaron (Host)
I'm going to nail you down.
01:13:13 - Caton (Host)
What candy bar. If I were to go in right now, I'd get a whatch whatchamacallit oh that's a good one.
01:13:20 - John (Guest)
Yeah, yeah, okay, I'm old enough to remember it's got to.
01:13:26 - Aaron (Host)
I'm old enough to remember when that shit came out. Really, yeah, I remember that was like the new hot thing, that commercial I remember, just like.
01:13:33 - Caton (Host)
I just remember, like seeing it and I had no idea what it was and I bought it on blind faith alone. Just one of those moments. Let the wind take me. It's like a hundred grand beefed up, yeah.
01:13:46 - Aaron (Host)
I'm sorry, I gotta get out of here.
01:13:48 - John (Host)
Now I gotta have a fucking whatchamacallit. What about you, your bar? Are you gonna have a bar after 30 days? First thing no, you're going to keep it going.
01:14:04 - Aaron (Host)
I'm not going to go eat candy and shit.
01:14:06 - John (Host)
I'm going to be.
01:14:07 - Aaron (Host)
The one thing that I'm fucking missing right now Is sugar in my coffee.
01:14:13 - John (Host)
Honey, honey. Okay, we'll try it. We've been doing that this whole tour. I would try that Over. I've been doing that this whole tour actually the coffee honey thing.
01:14:21 - Aaron (Host)
We're not alone. I would try that over dumping sugar back in my coffee. I was bad what about maple syrup.
01:14:28 - Caton (Host)
Yeah, maple syrup, I've never tried that.
01:14:30 - Aaron (Host)
That actually sounds kind of good. It is pretty good.
01:14:35 - John (Host)
Payday.
01:14:35 - Aaron (Host)
Payday my guy. Yeah, that's good shit I love a good payday. Good payday. What's yours Apple?
01:14:40 - Apple (Host)
I've always been a Reese's.
01:14:41 - Aaron (Host)
My guy.
01:14:42 - Apple (Host)
Reese's peanut butter cups first, but I love all the Reese's, the fast breaks.
01:14:46 - John (Host)
The fast break. Fast break is the best thing Reese's ever did. They're all good, different types. Take five.
01:14:51 - Apple (Host)
Take five yeah.
01:14:54 - John (Host)
Take five's good same here.
01:14:56 - Apple (Host)
I'm not a huge fan of the white chocolate ones.
01:14:58 - Caton (Host)
I'll say that that was like and let's just
01:15:03 - Aaron (Host)
be, real white chocolate shouldn't be called white chocolate, it should be called white stuff we can just only have the cookies and cream Hershey's.
01:15:10 - Caton (Host)
We can just get rid of white chocolate.
01:15:11 - Mel (Host)
Besides that, thanks, unless it's the Toblerone white chocolate that one is so nice.
01:15:17 - Aaron (Host)
Quite a lot of exceptions so what's your go's, your go-to melt?
01:15:22 - Mel (Host)
well I think I know, but go ahead no, you know what I'm gonna pick a nestle's crunch because, those are an underestimated winner you know, like an old school exactly. You give somebody a piece of that like oh, the crispy rice I didn't, you, you know, is that rice, it's good.
01:15:39 - Caton (Host)
What about Crackle Cool Ranch Doritos? Hershey's Crackle Cool Ranch Doritos. That's not a candy bar.
01:15:44 - Apple (Host)
Yeah, we were talking about candy bars, your gas station food, oh, my full gas station food the jalapeno chips.
01:15:51 - Mel (Host)
Yeah, I'm also a spicy chip person.
01:15:53 - Aaron (Host)
Yes, yes, so for everybody listening we need you all to go to a gas station now and send.
01:15:59 - Scott (Guest)
John T a box of all these snacks so that they can have them on the road. Hot dogs this is the most excited we've gotten.
01:16:06 - Caton (Host)
Yeah, yeah, just send me whatever.
01:16:08 - Mel (Host)
Yeah, this was your segment, John. You weren't really happy about this, yeah yeah.
01:16:13 - John (Host)
I was talking about this all day Music. He did a lot of gas stations unfortunately.
01:16:16 - Mel (Host)
No, you just do music.
01:16:17 - Apple (Host)
I wanted to ask one quick return back to a full circle, back to the very beginning when we started you alluded to. You're all working on new music, for a new album again.
01:16:28 - Aaron (Host)
Yeah.
01:16:28 - Tyler (Host)
I mean, all you know, we're always writing songs. That's been a constant in the jaunty, even like since before I was in the band is like it was like every time I hung out with these dudes they were working on a new tune. And every time, every time I hung out with these dudes, they were working on a new tune. Every time I went to see them, it was like two new tunes Right on. Scott writes songs like Throw Up, it just comes out, it's crazy.
01:16:47 - John (Guest)
I think we have over 100 originals now.
01:16:51 - Tyler (Host)
Over 100 originals Probably like 78 or 80 or something like that, seriously.
01:16:58 - Aaron (Host)
That's pretty damn prolific.
01:17:01 - Scott (Guest)
I try, I guess.
01:17:03 - Tyler (Host)
Yeah, yeah.
01:17:05 - Scott (Guest)
That just seems like it comes out.
01:17:07 - Mel (Host)
That seems I mean trying to do.
01:17:09 - Scott (Guest)
You read a lot of bad ones and then but they're still content.
01:17:13 - Mel (Host)
It's not about good or bad, it's about getting it out.
01:17:15 - Tyler (Host)
That is actually an interesting point. It's like, caden, when you about just like finding other dudes who are willing to like put in the effort. It's like I honestly don't know how many original songs we've learned, that we've canned, that we've not ended up playing. You know, wow, I mean I'd say there's at least a handful of Scott's tunes that we haven't. Or maybe we're gonna learn eventually, but we've started working out. You know, I guess there's probably like five or six songs we've played live in the past that we're maybe not gonna play again.
01:17:45 - Caton (Host)
Yeah, actually, yeah, we were just talking about this the other night. Actually, um the never agains versus what?
01:17:50 - Aaron (Host)
versus? It's been a while. What makes it never again?
01:17:53 - Caton (Host)
um, just like, um not liking it okay, okay, that's fair, I don't want to play it, yeah it's
01:18:01
not even not liking it it's, like you know, having to relearn it, probably if it's been long enough it's not worth it. Yeah, it's just like you know, like, are we just going to play it once or are we trying to like bring it back into, like the rotation of things you know, okay, um, or like we might have another song that kind of feels like a similar purpose now, like like space in the set list, wise kind of thing.
01:18:22 - Mel (Host)
Okay, so last question what's all your either or or both fish and dead song, favorite God?
01:18:30 - Aaron (Host)
that's an impossible question. I know it's impossible. That's why you have to. You get what Today, Today?
01:18:36 - Mel (Host)
Today.
01:18:37 - John (Guest)
Yeah, exactly, you're right.
01:18:41 - Caton (Host)
Like addicts of my life Today.
01:18:43 - John (Guest)
Yeah, exactly You're right. Like Addicts of my.
01:18:44 - John (Host)
Life maybe oh okay, yeah, I'm going to go. Pride of Cucamonga. Dude foam, what I knew it, so hang on hang on a second.
01:18:55 - Aaron (Host)
We just went and saw Dark Star a couple of last week.
01:18:58 - Mel (Host)
That was my favorite song. Last week they busted out a.
01:19:01 - Aaron (Host)
Pride of Cucamonga. What?
01:19:02 - Mel (Host)
It was so good Love like trucking sandwich back into Pride of Cucamonga.
01:19:09 - John (Host)
That was sick.
01:19:10 - Aaron (Host)
Dirty.
01:19:10 - John (Host)
Damn dude John you need to.
01:19:13 - Mel (Host)
Let's send that if they have it out. You need to hear that. I want to.
01:19:17 - Aaron (Host)
It's so fucking dope.
01:19:19 - Mel (Host)
I was like.
01:19:19 - Aaron (Host)
Well, I guess I like Prada Cucamonga now.
01:19:23 - John (Host)
The Cucamonga guy.
01:19:26 - Mel (Host)
It is a sleeper.
01:19:27 - Aaron (Host)
Old Phil sing it.
01:19:29 - Scott (Guest)
I'm going to say Prada Cucamonga.
01:19:35 - John (Host)
He's going to say whatever Cain says.
01:19:38 - Aaron (Host)
Addicts of my life.
01:19:41 - Mel (Host)
That's literally Aaron and and apple. That's the exact same thing they do. Oh, I like that.
01:19:45 - Scott (Guest)
That's my favorite too we had a good um, a good uh uh period of time where we're listening to a lot of lazy lightnings and that was fun okay, and with fish I'm going to go with Life Boy because I haven't seen that in a long time and I want to see it.
01:20:04 - Mel (Host)
So you're just putting it out there. I get it.
01:20:09 - Tyler (Host)
I was interested in what you were going to say for a Fish song.
01:20:11 - Speaker 6 (Other)
It's like too many we almost got the biggest Fish fan.
01:20:14 - Tyler (Host)
Yeah, mr, wearing a Fish hoodie right now. For all you listening in who can't see but man for for dead for me help on the way I love that yeah, you can include or not include Slipknot. I like listening to it, but every time I have to play it at a show I'm like, oh god, I gotta practice again.
01:20:37 - John (Guest)
Fish, fish time I have to play it at a show.
01:20:38 - Tyler (Host)
I'm like oh god, I gotta practice again, but uh, fish that's so.
01:20:44 - Aaron (Host)
It's hard, it really is a difficult question it really is um favorite questions are always hard yeah the studio version of Reba
01:20:55 - Tyler (Host)
oh, okay specifically, yeah, exactly just like the. That studio recording captures the live vibe, but also in a way that is just like so it sounds like you're just inside the speaker cabinets on stage.
01:21:10 - Speaker 6 (Other)
You know, it's just like you it sounds like you're like in it and yeah yeah, the reverbs on that recording.
01:21:15 - Tyler (Host)
There's the tone of it. The vibe is just immaculate yeah, immaculate vibes.
01:21:20 - Aaron (Host)
I've never heard that I love that a lot of time with those recordings. Yeah, yeah, what about you, mel? What what's your favorites?
01:21:28 - Mel (Host)
today, yeah, today. Well, I don't want to copy somebody's answer, but I really do love help on the way, okay and we got one of those, the other night and it was just really good. So for right now that's fresh in my head that I love and fish. Um, come on, I okay loving cup because today, today, that's not what I was gonna.
01:21:54 - Aaron (Host)
Yeah, that's a stone song, but okay I'm, but they do and.
01:21:58 - Mel (Host)
I like how they do it, and so that's today is what I like yeah, that's cool.
01:22:03 - Tyler (Host)
I do like Phish's version of Love and Cut better than the Stones. It's awesome yeah. I know it's probably blasphemous to some people, but I think they do the song justice.
01:22:10 - Aaron (Host)
We put on the Stones version today in our room and I was like this.
01:22:16 - Mel (Host)
I thought the opposite. I thought it was amazing.
01:22:18 - Aaron (Host)
John, you okay.
01:22:19 - Mel (Host)
But then I heard it again and they just do such an amazing job and I love it.
01:22:25 - Caton (Host)
I'm going to say Festivate, yeah, festivate version, yeah, with the horns, with the horns and Sharon Jones singing back up.
01:22:30 - Mel (Host)
Wait, what lake? Festivate Okay, festivate, okay. No, I like that. That was a great interruption.
01:22:39 - Aaron (Host)
Dark Star, always Forever.
01:22:42 - Speaker 6 (Other)
That song is yeah Fucking.
01:22:45 - Aaron (Host)
Teleportation vehicle Yep the Wedge.
01:22:49 - Caton (Host)
Ooh.
01:22:50 - Aaron (Host)
Yeah, Just cause of the lyrics. The first time I heard that live I started crying. I was like it was like when we very Like we were like maybe two and a half years into no simple road and the whole like I'm building you a pyramid thing, Like what we were doing with the show was like it was huge weight.
01:23:08 - Caton (Host)
I was like the song was written for me, yeah.
01:23:11 - Apple (Host)
Thank you, I'd say right, well, I'll go with it with with the dead. It's been this week. It's been stuck in my head, st Stephen. Because I was hoping for one last week, because that always gets there.
01:23:25 - Aaron (Host)
The dad, dad, the dad, and everybody just goes deep shit. The spinners start spinning Unicorns. Shoot out everybody's ass.
01:23:32 - Apple (Host)
I need to change my fish one, but it always goes. Steam, you're allowed. I fucking love Steam. That's like my anthem.
01:23:38 - Aaron (Host)
It Because I fucking love Steam. That's like my anthem. It's a dope song Because it's the horse's nostrils and the whole thing, yeah, the whole thing. I love when Trey does the. It's the most mellow metal move ever.
01:23:52 - Apple (Host)
But it's so different every time. You can tell what it's going to be. When he does that, you can tell if it's going to be a ripper or a slower one. It's just that the when he does that he could tell if it's going to be a ripper or a slower one, not just that, the way he does that.
01:24:02 - Tyler (Host)
I love it. It's kind of hard to get that consistent on a guitar doing pick scrapes yeah.
01:24:07 - Speaker 6 (Other)
You got to get the speed right the exact thickness of the
01:24:10 - John (Guest)
pick.
01:24:10 - Apple (Host)
You need high gain. Yeah, and then sometimes you'll have somebody also doing the ah at the same time.
01:24:21 - Tyler (Host)
You know, you somebody also doing the same time, you know you get craziness, high gain or high game high gain, gain.
01:24:24 - Aaron (Host)
Okay, you gotta have a lot of distortion.
01:24:25 - Tyler (Host)
It's gotta be turned up, yeah, all right.
01:24:26 - Aaron (Host)
Well fuck, what have we learned today? We've learned don't compare yourself, don't do it don't do it.
01:24:33 - Mel (Host)
You want to have a bad time? Do that.
01:24:35 - Apple (Host)
Snacks are good wait wait and see what the other person's gonna get first at the gas station I like that one. That's a good call help me out now.
01:24:42 - Tyler (Host)
What else? Something, something richard simmons yes, richard simmons.
01:24:45 - Aaron (Host)
Yeah, spirit animal current richard simmons yeah, oh my god, not his private life any other no um I believe meat sticks
01:24:58 - John (Guest)
and cheese sticks.
01:24:59 - Mel (Host)
That's the first one that comes to mind everybody.
01:25:03 - Aaron (Host)
Where do they go if they want to find out where you guys are going to be or all that follow you?
01:25:07 - Tyler (Host)
thejauntycom.
01:25:09 - Caton (Host)
that was easy, we're on nugs, all the other things, the normal things there's a lot of good youtube.
01:25:17 - Mel (Host)
Do you have a favorite performance to send them to on nugs?
01:25:20 - Tyler (Host)
No, okay, whatever's most recent, I'd say yeah, okay, whatever we're up to.
01:25:25 - Aaron (Host)
Most recent you know we always say this, but if they're coming to your town, don't wait until the day of the show to buy tickets. No Buy tickets in advance, please do that for them when you go to the show, buy some fucking merch so that these guys can get some snacks. Always Just saying All right, everybody, take care of each other. We'll be back on Monday Monday yeah With another one of these. We love you guys, peace, peace.
01:25:55 - Aaron (Host)
Peace, no simple road.