00:00 - Speaker 1 (Host)
Why can't every day be like this? No, simple road. Yeah, no, I've been on that road too.
00:39 - Aaron (Host)
And we're back and action. Go, hey, be interesting, do it, hey what's happening. This is Apple Blah, blah, blah, go, hey, be interesting, do it, hey what's happening.
00:46 - Apple (Host)
This is Apple.
00:48 - Mel (Host)
It's Mel and hey zing zing zing. It's Aaron hey. Hey everybody.
00:58 - Apple (Host)
You're listening.
00:59 - Aaron (Host)
Be like a. That'd be cool.
01:04 - Apple (Host)
How about?
01:04 - Aaron (Host)
that how about that?
01:05 - Mel (Host)
How about it? Beer and air? No, nobody has that. Hey, welcome back to the no Simple Road.
01:11 - Aaron (Host)
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01:39 - Apple (Host)
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01:52 - Mel (Host)
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02:04 - Aaron (Host)
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02:34 - Apple (Host)
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02:39 - Aaron (Host)
Yeah, well, that's true.
02:42 - Apple (Host)
With our help and with melt's help, it's a whole collaboration here my help or melt's help.
02:46 - Aaron (Host)
Let's hear it from melt everybody yay, melt. Melt will never make you say thank you. Oh fuck, no, not ever you're getting use out of that button yeah, um, so normally on the rewind, the way that this works is uh, I like how you say normally and it's different all the time.
03:07
I there is no normal Come up with a topic and then I don't tell Apple and Mel what we're going to talk about. And then we come down here and I turn on the mic and then we start talking. But today I decided to change it up and take some of the pressure off of myself and I asked Mel, that's pressure A little bit. Yeah, yeah, aaron, figure out what we're going to talk about on the Rewind today. Yes, that's a little bit of pressure.
03:35 - Apple (Host)
I say usually you always got many things, but now I get it. This is kind of good.
03:39 - Aaron (Host)
So today, this morning, I asked Apple and Mel. I was like, hey, instead of me coming up with what we're going to talk about on the rewind, why don't you guys think about what you would want to discuss and then we'll do it? And I have no idea what we're going to do.
03:54 - Apple (Host)
No, he doesn't. But Mel, I must tell you he tried to get a pH from me earlier. What?
03:59 - Mel (Host)
Oh hell no. He was like.
04:01 - Apple (Host)
So what is it?
04:06 - Aaron (Host)
And I was like so what is it?
04:07 - Apple (Host)
I was like no, I wasn't thinking about the whole, I know you.
04:08 - Mel (Host)
You immediately gave me a look like like, oh, I didn't mean to ask that I was just making sure you were thinking about it I also just told aaron that I didn't have one, when I in fact did, just to see his face yeah, well, that's funny, it's hilarious.
04:18 - Apple (Host)
You're a regular comedian not really all right apple, I don't know, you're pretty funny sometimes. Make me laugh, you make yourself laugh. I make myself laugh the most, say pizza and if you like it or not, yes. Okay.
04:32 - Mel (Host)
But it hurts my stomach.
04:33 - Apple (Host)
It's good. Yeah, I like it too. Okay, mel, what are you guys?
04:36 - Aaron (Host)
Okay so thanks for showing up today. Everybody, We'll see you next week. Remember, take care of each other. Smile at a stranger All right?
04:43 - Apple (Host)
Well, I'll go for it and I'll give it a little context too, because because my birthday, everybody knows, is come and gone, and turning 55 made me start thinking more about things and a little bit before my birthday, like looking, what kind of thing paying more attention to actors and musicians' ages we always do that. It's just a number, but as you get older, sometimes you start putting things in perspective. One that really hit me, that I said to you guys, was I saw Kim Gordon from Sonic Youth turned 72 recently.
05:22
I knew she was a little bit older than me, growing up listening to Sonic Youth, but to think that Kim Gordon's edgy, which she still is. She's just come out with an album and she's going on a world tour all over the world. But that number 72, I was, oh my god, and I think my parents are, 81 both of them, and it just made it, made me start thinking about things. And the other day I was talking to my nephew wait, hang on.
05:53 - Aaron (Host)
I saw john bon jovi on the cover of the aarp magazine because I yeah aarp magazine yeah and he looks like a senior citizen and he's 60, I think, okay I forgot what it says.
06:06 - Apple (Host)
I read part of the article and was like holy shit, anyway, go ahead yeah, things like that, because you know, back in our day, like like bon jovi was the man you know, slippery with wet chick, you know like all the stuff when wet.
06:19
Apple slippery when wet, yeah, but what came up with my nephew the other day and he made me feel good about this and it made me reflect on, like when we were at rhythms ground last week and everybody sat down and we did like the conch thing where everybody actually you sat down and everybody said, that's true, I sat down and everybody surrounded me.
06:37 - Mel (Host)
This is true, I sat down if you're gonna tell the story, don't lie about it.
06:42 - Apple (Host)
Don't lie apple so, but what I, what we started talking about was and this is kind of the topic legacy, what your legacy is and what legacy means to you.
06:53 - Mel (Host)
That actually really ties into my thing that you have no idea, but it's perfect.
06:58 - Apple (Host)
Okay, well, we were talking about it because William, you know my nephew he's been married a little over a year now and they made the decision right away. It because william, you know, my nephew was. He's been married a little over a year now and they made the decision right away. He got a vasectomy before their wedding. As you know, they don't want any children and for a long time. I, when late, when I think of legacy, first thing that comes to mind is like what you're leaving to people, when you, when you leave behind. Well, that is what it means. It means two things, and then we look this up. Number one the most common thing people think of is an amount of money or property left to someone in a will. That's not what I thought. And number two is the long-lasting impact of particular events, actions etc. That took place in the past, or of a person's life that's what I thought so anybody can have a legacy.
07:44
Because I thought that's what he brought up was like you know, I'm not gonna have a legacy to leave to my kids because we decided we're not gonna have kids and then I'm, you know, 55 single, I don't have kids. I mean, there's always the possibility still, but I don't, you know, don't see that. So William said he goes well, first off, dude, you know I have. We all have a legacy because it's what you leave behind to everybody you knew, and sometimes especially artists and stuff like that people they don't even know the legacy they left behind. And the first thing he brought up, he's all you built legacy, and you've mentioned it before with the show with no Simple Road. We've created a legacy that's going to live beyond us. That people you know it'll be there, for everything nowadays is once it's on the internet, it's there forever. So is it? So people are going to be able to look for many, many years when we're gone to to see. You know, that's part of a legacy, of what we're talking about and preserving the artists and stuff like that and our experiences. But the thing at rhythms ground that got me was like, was like shit. I'm already building a legacy, which of of like goodwill and friendship and stuff, kind of what everybody was saying to me. Like you, you make me smile, you know you're so kind to people and stuff. So I was just thinking about that a lot in the last week. And then the other weird thing that I didn't really want to talk about much but I wanted to bring that up too was the dream I had last week where my sister came to me and that I mean, that doesn't really go in with legacy other than her legacy, which she left to me, as I always listened to her and looked up to her, as you do a lot of times with older sisters and brothers and stuff.
09:30
I had a dream last week. I felt I was sleeping and I'm in the car with my sister and I've not felt her presence in a long time she passed in 2012 but I haven't felt her presence. I feel it here and there, but this was strong, like she was in the room with me. We're driving in a car and all of a sudden we're in a car accident and just boom and I hit the side of my face and I woke up the first time like, oh, that was. That was fucking gnarly. Whatever, go back to bed, same exact dream happened again. This time I wake up with the side of my face hurting a little bit, had a hard time going back to sleep, and then it happened a third time and then I had a real hard time going back to sleep and my face hurt more. But that's what got this kind of go.
10:13
Is my birthday? That thing that happened with my sister feeling so strong strong enough that I canceled my work day. I felt like I, you know, still wondering if I, you know, if I, if I dodged an accident or something, I was extra klutzy that day. Like I told Mel that I was, like I was a klutz today too. I was like dropping shit, knocking shit over. But, like I said, that part doesn't have much to do with legacy, but that's part of the story where my mind's been. And then that conversation I had with my nephew about legacy. So my question is kind of like what does legacy mean to you? And like what is your legacy that you feel that you've built or building, because you guys have kids and a grandson now?
10:54 - Mel (Host)
Yeah, we literally do have like people that we are going to leave behind at some point. Well, I mean, I mean, I think that's a couple parted answer because with as far as my kids are concerned and our grandson, like the legacy that I want to live and I feel like, um, I've kind of started that is like just care and nurturing and love and letting my family know that they were loved and special and the way that they see me with others treating them, the way that I treat my own family. So there's like really no, even though my kids and and my grandson are the most special and important things to me, I still treat other people the same way because I feel like that's how people should be treated. They should be treated like they're the most important thing in the room at the time that you're talking to them, or you know that you care about them, or that they're not forgotten.
11:59
I think that, especially people that are single, you know it's easy to kind of go down a spiral.
12:06
You know like kind of like that, like well, I don't have any kids and I don't have you know this, that and the other, but like by what people said to you you know the other day, like that's unforgettable how people treat you. You know you may not always remember every conversation or every place that you hung out, but like if they treated you good. That's kind of one of the reasons why you want to go back or why you want to continue to be friends. And so from one of the legacies, like I said, that I feel like I am working toward and would like to leave, is just that, like that Mel was a great friend and a great mother to like, a great person to have around for for many reasons, and that I actually did care. You know, like I do care about people, it's I can't help it. It's, you know, it's easier to not care sometimes because then you don't get hurt sometimes it's a lot harder. Hell, yeah, like you just.
13:06
Well, you have a lot if I I think about, like so many people that I care about and would love to, you know, be there for their events and be there for their kids and, like you know, be a champion of them, and there's just not enough time in the freaking day to do all the things that I would like and expect of myself. You know, like I would like to do more stuff, you know, but I have I already do a lot and I acknowledge that, and so it's not any place of lack, it's really just a place of caring. You know, like I, you know I want, want to support people. I wish I was there for my daughter all the time. I wish I was there for my mom more and my sister.
13:50
But we have this incredible show. We live here in another state, we've got all these awesome friends. So all of that love and goodwill and care I try to give to the people that are around me so that I can feel fed and and and like I'm, like I'm satiating that part of myself that wants to like, be around and love and care for people yeah, so you feel that that too, that kind of, was back, and what I was wondering is like legacy can be like like we've created with the show.
14:22 - Apple (Host)
We've created legacy of friendships that have all grown out of this not just the catalog and like the timeline we have for ourselves and others to go back and listen to, but like the emotion I feel, like it's like fam ships.
14:35 - Mel (Host)
You know what I mean like like family and friendships, because you know there's a few people that we've met since the show. That it's calling them a friend is really not doesn't do it justice. The closeness, the togetherness um the connection and the desire to hang with each other and be with each other, like I mean there's best friends and stuff like that, but it just even feels so much more family and like a deeper like tribal. You know some kind of like tribal connection. Know the legacy here at this stage of the game. You know seven, almost seven years in, is really like maybe a couple years ago I started to hear this more where people would come on the show and they'd be like thanks for what you're doing. And then when we first um started doing this, that wasn't something that was a common thing that people would say to us.
15:47 - Aaron (Host)
Nobody said that.
15:48 - Mel (Host)
Nobody said that, but maybe, like I said, a year, a couple of years ago, we started to hear that from more than just one or two people and I didn't think of it initially like when I heard that, but I had because I started and I have since then, because I've been hearing it more and more and realizing what we're doing is like creating this incredible tapestry of like amazing conversations for people to really get and understand these incredible artists and authors and musicians and everything in between people, yeah, the people that we have on, and so the legacy there is just like you know, everyone's important, everyone's got a story, there's talent in everyone or every. Anyone can be interesting and to be able to pull that out and other people can like share in that and love that and hear like their favorite singer or their favorite bassist or their somebody that they never knew, that they needed to know.
16:54
you know, like or get turned on to new music yeah, and so I feel like that legacy I don't know what really to to call that legacy, but it's an incredible thing that no Simple Road does for the people that are on it and I'm just proud to be a part of that and I'm glad that Aaron started this legacy for the three of us to share in, because it really was started by Aaron and it would be his but it's not solely you know, like it was something that encompassed all of us, no matter what. Like you, it can't just be Aaron's anymore.
17:34 - Apple (Host)
It's like. It's like his baking. He made an incredible cake and it was like guys, come share this with me.
17:38 - Mel (Host)
Well, it's just kind of like one of those things where you create something and then it's bigger than yourself. You know like you make this dope piece of art and you hang it up and now it's in the museum and everyone's buying it and they're wanting reprints and all these kinds of things, like sometimes you make something that is so much bigger than just your name and it's out there for the world, and that's what I feel like.
18:01 - Apple (Host)
No simple road, that's what made me think of this the other night too. This week has been kind of weird. The other night I go to bed, I watched like came on at midnight and I stayed up. I didn't watch Frida in Yurt and I caught it right at the beginning and was like, oh, I'm going to watch a few minutes of this and go to sleep, and I ended up watching the whole thing.
18:19 - Mel (Host)
It's incredible.
18:20 - Apple (Host)
I was like in tears and, like that, the legacy that, like she had created, and everything it just a lot of that has just come up in the last week of thinking beyond yourself about the past and what you've built up to this point and what you're building still, and it's same thing at the same time.
18:38
Mortality of like me and my nephew brought that like like, how long do you think you're gonna live? It's like I'm 55, that that a lot of people would consider middle-aged, and it's like no, because I'd be a middle-aged, I would be living to be 110 right in the middle. No, yeah, yeah, you start to think about those numbers, morris, and it's like holy shit.
18:59 - Aaron (Host)
You know we don't like to look at things like a number, because we don't it's different now, though, because, just like when we started talking, kim Gordon's 70-whatever years old Age is different now.
19:11 - Apple (Host)
Yes, yes.
19:13 - Aaron (Host)
Yeah, people are healthier, they're sharper, they're more intact, they're living longer.
19:18 - Apple (Host)
Working longer, working longer.
19:20 - Aaron (Host)
So where somebody was old when we were in our 20s or whatever, is not the same thing. Now, yeah, it's a different one trip.
19:31 - Apple (Host)
That's another one just this morning. This morning it did it reaffirmed like what I, what I picked as my topic. The thing with your mom came up which is amazing.
19:40 - Mel (Host)
Your mom is amazing dude in 70s, 77 years old, I thought it's this year. She's 78.
19:47 - Apple (Host)
And she don't act it or look it.
19:49 - Mel (Host)
She's either 77 and going to be 78 at the end of the year, or 78 going to be 79. And she is in Barcelona and just competed and won first place in all of her dancing divisions tango, this, that and the and the other samba cha-cha and and bedazzled her entire gown and looked like she looked better than I did, like she looks amazing her makeup, her body still her clothing still weird to see my mom her performance performing doing that I was showing everybody at work today because I was like this is my 77 year old mother-in-law.
20:31
Look at her and she looks like she's 35 yeah, it's a trip.
20:35 - Aaron (Host)
I my whole life I've been seeing her perform and still to this day, it's like, oh my god at this point it should be performing dude this is dope like your mom has
20:47 - Mel (Host)
never, totally proud of looked and done better, like even when I furry first met you and, and you know, going to the recitals with sydney and your, your sister, sydney and ally, and all that like I feel, like she's come to verse agingse, aging. Yeah, she's kind of come into her own and she looks like she's having such a blast up there. Yeah, she's stoked and even with us seeing her a few weeks ago, she's like sturdy, there's no like.
21:16 - Aaron (Host)
Yeah, she's not a frail old lady no she's not like hunching over and like walking slow and talking slow no.
21:26 - Apple (Host)
If she slugged you, it hurt. Oh yeah, yeah. Her performance, and not just before her entire life of performance, has been very physical stuff.
21:30 - Aaron (Host)
It's incredible, she's incredible yeah, well, I mean to the legacy thing as you're talking about. I'm sitting here right across the room from me, on the um. There's a bookshelf across from me. It's got a bunch of books and knickknacks and grateful dead paraphernalia and stuff and there's a couple of pictures of my dad on there. And not to make this dark or negative, but I've got to go there because it's pertinent to this you're allowed to.
22:02 - Apple (Host)
That's what I thought the subject it's. It's pertinent to this. You're allowed to be wherever. That's what I thought of the subject.
22:06 - Aaron (Host)
It's heavy, but yeah, my dad was a lot of things in his life kind of like me, like he wore a lot of hats, he was an ambulance driver, he was.
22:19 - Mel (Host)
Highway patrol Highway patrol.
22:21 - Aaron (Host)
He was in the Korean War. He was a movie producer.
22:25
He was Quick draw gun in the Guinness Book of World Records for being quick draw. He produced the first afternoon show in Las Vegas. He did the first topless review in Las Vegas. He was the entertainment director at several Las Vegas hotels. He worked with some of the biggest stars Jack Benny, judy Garland, you know all of them, frank Sinatra and he's just gone. Wow, like that, that shit, the only place that that stuff lives is in my head now and and my asshole brothers, like that's the only place that that stuff lives and that's just gone. And I imagine when he was alive, as he was doing that shit, he was thinking to himself this is my legacy, because he even said that to me yeah, you know.
23:25 - Mel (Host)
And because what he was doing, too, was like being recorded. You know what I mean. Like so it has a life after he's gone.
23:34 - Aaron (Host)
Yep, um, and so I've thought what you guys said about no simple road before, but then the, the practical, practical reality reality of it is. That's not true. It's not going to live forever. Somebody would have to maintain the website, somebody would have to continue paying for the hosting for all the episodes after we're gone, for that stuff to just be available. Yeah.
24:03
Right, but so it's made me thinking about that stuff, made me think a little deeper about it and About the show or about legacy, about legacy and cause. I've thought about this lately too, actually, of course you guys.
24:26 - Mel (Host)
Bobsy twins over here.
24:28 - Aaron (Host)
It's just getting older is what it was in Apple's birthday and you know, um yeah, I. For me, it's again. When I think of my dad, it's the memories that I have of him that are his legacy with me, how smart he was and how he was able to give you advice on anything ever, and he was right, no matter what he knew about everything like, like fucking Yoda.
25:11
He really did and that's his legacy. Is that imprint he made on me as a huge another human being on the planet and the imprint he made on me as another human being on the planet, and the imprint he made on you and you? And Simon and all the people.
25:26
Yes, so for me, it's the lives that I've touched and the imprint that I've made on their hearts. That's the legacy that I am going to leave. Yeah, no, simple road is fucking dope, and we have a huge catalog of amazing conversations that make people have the opportunity to get to know the creators of the wonderful art that they love in a completely different way than they normally would have, and that's really special. I'm not discounting the value, value of what?
26:07 - Apple (Host)
no simple road is at all but like that's going to live on in people's. That that's it. There'll be memories, yeah the people.
26:14 - Aaron (Host)
Like you said that, we've met people that are beyond friends and family at this point. It's tribal. When we're gone, those people will remember us and the things that we did together and the places that we went and the things that we saw and the music that we experienced.
26:29 - Mel (Host)
So you're equating that more legacy, more to memory.
26:33 - Aaron (Host)
That's all it is. Which I bet that makes sense, Unless unless you have a ton of fucking cash and can leave a legacy for people. Yeah, literally Leave an inheritance.
26:49 - Apple (Host)
Or like a library the Aaron Schaefer Memorial Library that'll live forever, because I bought it and paid for it and my name's on it Just pay for hosting forever for the show and be like this is never going away, which might be something to look into.
27:07 - Aaron (Host)
You know what I mean Like this is never going away. I don't want it to disappear, Then that's.
27:12 - Mel (Host)
Well, cause I remember you bringing this up a while back to about Jasper and, like you know, whenever we're gone, I mean well, first of all, we're young enough and he's young enough to where we get to grow together and he's really gonna know us. God forbid, something happens tragic and we're pulled out of his lives at any point. He has this until till whenever to like listen back and know who we are, to listen back and know who apple is. Why was apple so important? We all know it now because we're here. But when you're young and little, you take things you don't, it's not, you can't, don't even take it for granted. You just don't know yet I just remember you know what I
27:56 - Apple (Host)
mean when you're his age now, like five, or your memories are not concrete.
28:01 - Aaron (Host)
You have bits and pieces, fragmented I remember before the last time I spent time with my dad before he did and shooting old vegas hotels and like a bunch of his shit was in there and he was like, whatever you do, don't let anything happen to those tapes. You've gotta keep those tapes. They're gonna be worth so much money and and I didn't and I wish I would have now, I wish I would have listened dumbass and that's the same thing I feel, with no simple road, like somebody's gonna have to take care of this after we're gone it's, you know, after having crystal on the show too, and and just and just being her friend and her talking about the material items that we all incur through a life of, you know, living.
29:10 - Mel (Host)
You know, even, even if you're 30, you've collected a good amount of stuff.
29:15 - Aaron (Host)
Dude just think of this is stupid. Think of all the stickers you have. Just stickers.
29:22 - Apple (Host)
Yeah, the three. Yeah, there's probably an entire like big banker box of stickers, and who's going to want that? That came through my mind when I was thinking of this too is having Crystal on, because she really talked about this. She was like, 95% of the time, your kids, nobody wants your shit. They don't want your junk.
29:43 - Mel (Host)
When you die you hardly want your shit.
29:45 - Apple (Host)
That's why it's in boxes and stored away and you don't look at. Then it's like here have this shit that I've had in a box for God knows how long I'm going to leave it to you. It's really important to me I know, with my mom and dad and stuff, there's a couple things that I'd want of theirs, and other than that, it's just like this is somebody else's stuff, even though it's your family.
30:06 - Mel (Host)
But then you know, I think about it from another perspective too. So say we're like, all of us are like. You know what? That's so true. Let's get rid of all of our posters and sell it to people who, or give it away to people who it'll make mean to something. Now then we live in this like empty shell, and I don't think you have to go to those extremes you don't there's nothing here you don't have your favorite shit.
30:30
you don't have to go to the extremes, but I guess my point is is like there does come a time when you're alive and well, where you should be thinking about where you should I won't say that, where you could be thinking about that. And what if you have children, do you want them to go through an endless amount of boxes that have photos from family they've never met because they were too young?
30:55
or you know grandma, you know so-and-so's dishes, because they came from the war and they aren't you know, handed down, it seems like it, but nobody wants little frilly laced up, you know, plates, or if they do, then you sell that and get the money like it seems. It seems trivial, but like those things really do hold you down and then you have, like yourself, a warehouse full of stuff that you just end up throwing away because there's just too much you can't go through it all.
31:29
I didn't know what to do with any of it, like it was you could have gotten another storage and just I'm gonna pay for the storage and come and look whenever I know when I die.
31:36 - Aaron (Host)
To be like you, better take care of grandpa's tapes.
31:38 - Apple (Host)
It's really important. I got the storage and come and look whenever I can and then when I die they'll be like you. Better take care of Grandpa's tapes. It's really important. I got the storage unit to keep them there. Now it's your responsibility. They're degrading, you better hurry up and get them transferred.
31:47 - Aaron (Host)
It's expensive to get them transferred, but look at.
31:50 - Mel (Host)
okay, look at the legacy that they did the Owsley Stanley Foundation.
31:55 - Aaron (Host)
Maybe they'll have the no simple road foundation from jasper and simon and sydney, who knows?
31:59 - Apple (Host)
well, that's what I thought of too, because we throw it out there like all the time, like, like personally and like as the show we always talk about having, like the no simple road farm yes and then you know, obviously, like, like, I don't have anybody that that would be, that it would be given to, or anything it'd be, it's your fan, it would be, given to your kids and jasper and stuff like that and yeah, I think again.
32:26 - Aaron (Host)
I don't mean to like make this go back to going to shows or anything like that, but it can't be because that was your specific instructions, you're like and the topic can't be.
32:35 - Apple (Host)
Try not to make it about music because we do music all the time.
32:39 - Aaron (Host)
I'm saying that, like, the experiences that we have at live music with the people that we love are some of the most impactful times in our lives right now.
32:52 - Mel (Host)
Yeah, yeah, right now.
32:54 - Aaron (Host)
Right now in this stage of our life. That's where we're finding the most bang for the buck, so to speak, and creating a lot of memories with a lot of people, and that's where the legacy is right now.
33:13 - Apple (Host)
And that's also the main event where we get to see all of our friends. When we get lucky enough that a majority shows up to a show, it's so awesome. Well that was good.
33:28 - Aaron (Host)
Good job man.
33:30 - Apple (Host)
No, yeah, I just it's been on my mind.
33:34 - Mel (Host)
Well, I mean, it's really kind of ironic that you talked about the legacy too, because I and I have been thinking about this. I didn't think to mention it today or talk about it today, but especially after bringing that up, I was have been thinking about ancestors. There's a lot of things that have to do with that, but some of the things that I have been thinking about is ancestors and what they leave you, like their legacy, in the form of like disease, in the form of like money, in the form of gifts, in the form of things that like the way that you look.
34:18 - Aaron (Host)
Right, these are all. I got a nose from my ancestors totally totally.
34:23 - Mel (Host)
I got a butt from my ancestors you know, um but no, like there's so much going on these days about, like healing ancestral trauma and there's a lot of like these buzzwords and and things like that, um, but it, however you feel about it or not, our past definitely comes up into our future and in our present it does explain that, because I'll explain it like this it's the pebble in the lake.
35:04
By the time that ripple gets to the edge of the lake, it is not the same time that the pebble touched it there. It takes time for that ripple to go out and to affect the rest of the lake. And so it's the same thing with ancestors there's certain things that they accomplish or do in their life but we don't. They don't always get to see how their grandkids were raised or how their children grew up or what they've accomplished, and so there's like some, some families leave things for their kids to do for them, not on purpose, and sometimes on purpose like clean up my storage unit like, clean up my storage unit, like you know, here's this business, and now you know dad's gone.
35:51
Now what do we do? What do we? What do we do with this business? How do we like? And and, furthermore, ancestral traumas. There's a lot of shit that our ancestors have gone through, maybe, like if, say, if you're like, you know, from another part of the world and you know, immigrating to America and all the things that they've had to see and go through and live in poverty and climb their way up and, you know, start a business because they, you know, they always knew that you should start a business instead of work for somebody. All these things. And so there's that element of trauma and what they've gone through. And there is a ripple into our life, whether we know it or not. There's a ripple of if your grandmother grew up with a lot of pain and sadness, it spread to your mom. That's the ripple.
36:45 - Aaron (Host)
Emotionally most likely yes.
36:47 - Mel (Host)
And if your mom was raised by your grandmother and got those ripples, those emotional ripples, you know it too. You feel it now also because that ripple went on to it, for furthered out. Up to you to find out why your mom was sad or mad and treated you the same way. But you could also just be another ripple or you can question it. And so I guess my um question about ancestors is how tied to it, how tied to your ancestry are you? Are you aware of any family traumas and are? Have any of them affected you and maybe, on the other side, any family blessings or anything that was helpful that your family passed on?
37:34 - Aaron (Host)
well, I mean. Well, I mean yeah, yes and no Like, without spilling anybody's super personal stuff.
37:46 - Mel (Host)
No, we don't want to do that. We're talking about ourselves, but we don't got to be detailed.
37:51 - Aaron (Host)
On one of my sides of my family. There's some pretty mental illness there, uh, like schizophrenia, mental illness and and suicide and and pretty heavy shit. And that was um carried down by that side of the family in the form of bottling up emotion and not letting anybody see when something was wrong, because things at home were so out of control that they had to put up a front.
38:34 - Mel (Host)
Yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah, pretend like everything's cool.
38:36 - Apple (Host)
Pretend like everything was cool For themselves and for the outside world Just to make it through the week.
38:43 - Aaron (Host)
Yeah, so that was passed down to me.
38:50 - Mel (Host)
And so, okay, I guess deeper into that is like how have you felt that and how has that manifested?
38:59 - Aaron (Host)
in you. That was the foundation of my addiction. Was that I didn't know how to deal with the quieting of everything.
39:12 - Mel (Host)
I didn't know how to deal with shit, because everything was like covered up.
39:16 - Aaron (Host)
You just act like everything's cool, no matter what.
39:20 - Apple (Host)
But then deep down, it's not cool.
39:22 - Aaron (Host)
There's a storm happening and you're going to break, and so I was medicating for that. You know, yeah, you know this. And this isn't news for you.
39:37
And then on the other side of it, but we're having a podcast no, I know, on the other side of it is like I think about my ancestry right, like I'm 51 ashkenazi jew and 40 something percent romani and some Russian and Egyptian and a couple other weird things, and those uh ethnic groups of people have gone, like the Romani and the Jews specifically, have gone through some heavy um, ethnic cleansing, persecution, slavery, insane shit. So I think to even go a step further other than like just passing it down emotionally.
40:36 - Mel (Host)
Well, yeah, I said all of it.
40:38 - Aaron (Host)
Just to go a step further, other than passing it down emotionally. Well, yeah, I said all of it, not you. Just to go a step further, other than passing it down emotionally is like the things that happen to people in their lives is stored in our dna, right, and then those people that have had those triumphs, traumas or whatever, procreate and have offspring, and those offspring have that DNA in them and there's genetic memory in each one of us that is the memory of all the people that came before us in our bloodline.
41:15 - Mel (Host)
Nothing gets lost.
41:16 - Aaron (Host)
No, it's computer code, it's vibrational, it's frequency. It's it's frequency, it's a thing, it's real. Like you, they're figuring out right now this is crazy and off topic, but they're figuring out right now how to use dna to store information as like computer memory, but like a hard drive like a hard drive on there Exactly.
41:41 - Mel (Host)
That's kind of like you're getting to it, how you know the the question and my thoughts about it, because that exactly you were saying how, when you I asked like how, exactly like that through blood, through, like personality, through all of it. It's like you're. That's why I'm saying your past is directly tied to your present and your future. You can never get away from it in that sense, like you are, who you are and the things that have created you, that's it. Once you're created, you're created. You can't be created again, you can't.
42:32 - Aaron (Host)
You can add to it but you can't do it again, kind of thing where, like the way that I respond to situations and adversity in my life, that stuff that I was just talking about a minute ago plays a part in that have you thought of that before?
42:49 - Mel (Host)
oh?
42:49 - Aaron (Host)
yeah, oh yeah. I this, this. This is one that, like I've thought of since we moved to Portland. My dad's grandfather, my great-grandpa, who I never met. He emigrated from Russia to the US, to Portland, oregon, and started the Broadway Cab Company here in Portland.
43:17
And when the first time we came to the Pacific Northwest, I felt at home here and I had never felt like that before and it was really unsettling to me it was a trip, so much so that we uprooted our lives and moved up here, and I think that that is epigenetic, I think that is genetic memory that's in my body, that is tuned to the frequency of this place because my grandfather, great grandfather, was here.
43:53 - Apple (Host)
That's coded in Yep. Well, it's like that thing they talk about smell. I saw a thing on that talking about how that, how strong the smell sense is you can. You can smell something that is not your scent.
44:05
That is an ancestry like ancestry built into you that triggers memories of an ancestor whoa that's how strong that that coating is and stuff like it could be something you've never smelled in your life. But then it gives you that deja vu, feeling like you're just saying, like when you came up here it was like I feel at home, but I've never been here. We can sense and feel those things from ancestors that are in us and that's that's a trip right there that can trigger, like it's your great, great grandmother's memory of smelling this thing that you've never even smelled. That's wild.
44:55 - Mel (Host)
So, yeah, that is a concrete example of how can do about it, to help it along, to change the memory or mend it or I don't know.
45:10 - Aaron (Host)
Yeah, well, I mean he hasn't gone yet I don't know, man I, I to change a memory? No, I don't think you can change a memory, because a memory is a memory, right like you're remembering something that happened but like your perspective of it, yes, your perspective, how it affects you.
45:30 - Mel (Host)
Sure you can do that work to make it not hurt anymore or not make you angry or sad or whatever yeah, you could do that, um, there's a lot of ways that you can dig into that stuff well, I'm not talking about the greater person we're this, we're talking about our personal selves.
45:49 - Apple (Host)
Well, personally too, like aaron said, kind of the root of his addiction to that so many people try to erase, get rid of memories, replace them by substance abuse and stuff that's very common, like people you know, like alcoholics, junkies and stuff. You're trying to try to get rid of that with scrub it yeah, with with artificial stuff from our world that it just temporarily works, that shit's all it's gonna be there it's waiting.
46:20 - Aaron (Host)
I I honest. To be honest, I don't have anything that like plagues ancestrally. That's plaguing me, right now at all. I never have I. I mean other than what I said in the beginning um yeah, I don't have anything that I've like been thinking about, or it's just come up for me.
46:42 - Mel (Host)
It's just a thing that I've been hearing a lot this ancestral trauma breaking these cycles and going forward.
46:49 - Aaron (Host)
It's the new buzzword in the spiritual community.
46:54 - Mel (Host)
Well, and more than just the spiritual community, like especially like when people are talking about like the earth is going through something right now and like it's coming to an awakening and like that is the also in that. Like how do we know? We feel it you know what I mean like this can't be measured, but we all can kind of feel that something is different than before.
47:16 - Aaron (Host)
Yeah, what about you, Apri.
47:19 - Apple (Host)
Well, right off the bat, the number one thing I have a good example, that's like the yin and yang of that is my upbringing with my mom, my dad's in my life you know especially much more now and everything. But I was pretty much raised by women and I was raised by women and I was raised by women that my, my grandmother, my mom, my sister, my aunt, my oh, my girl, cousins and everything very compassionate people and everything. But on the flip side, neurotic, completely like, like, uh, what do you call it? Like shit, I just had the word. Like the tv commercials. Do you see spots? Yeah, I see spots.
48:01
Oh, hypochondriac hypochondriac yeah, hypochondriac on one side, hypochondriacs, everything like that. So that taught me. As far as the ancestry thing and my grandma was the worst, you'd said it that my grandma it got passed from her mom, my great grandma, who passed it on to her, who passed it on to my mom and my sister to, you know, would would create sickness, and Aaron's known me my whole life. I used to be a much more sickly person because I would.
48:29
I would totally even from living here, apple, yeah, yeah, since we moved up here, it's been the biggest shift in my life, of coming up here to a place that that will not just feel, that I know, of a place that is healthier for me, has been ever since the day we moved here. Climate, everything about it, you know, is completely different, but but that is really an impact on me and I had to work on the other side of changing it, not having that hypochondriac thing and getting a little sniffle, because that was, that was my grandma and apparently that way I barely knew my great grandma. Uh, it was also on my dad's side, with, with, with his mom, who I barely knew but was hypochondriac also and get a little sniffy like oh my god.
49:12
And well, my grandma my grandma is one of the word, my grandma, freaking loved Valium, like she.
49:18 - Mel (Host)
I remember like offer me Valium when I was like 12 or 13.
49:22 - Apple (Host)
And my mom would be like no, I'd be like oh, I got a headache. Oh, you need a Valium, like you know. Oh, I'm depressed, you need a Valium. Oh, I'm hungry. Well, take a Valium and have something to eat.
49:37 - Aaron (Host)
Like that was really their thing, which I call it mother mother's little helper, yeah, and it was all of their.
49:41 - Apple (Host)
All those women in my family I mentioned were on, were and still are, uh, on antidepressants and all kinds of pharmaceuticals and stuff, and I luckily found self-medication through cannabis, you know, started when I was 12, 13 years old and it's been part of my life forever. I even tell doctors that when they you had the same thing, you go to a doctor at our age and they're like that. They're like okay, medical, they're like you didn't fill out your medical history and it's like, yeah, I did, they're like you, you're on no medications.
50:16
No, no, I take an advil once in a while and I take allergy medication and they don't believe it like they. I think they're programmed and that they immediately want to find something wrong with you so they can get you on a medication well, that's more normal than not.
50:30 - Mel (Host)
Maybe, too, they're seeing everybody that has medication so they're shocked.
50:34 - Apple (Host)
Yeah, probably they're like the majority is on something and the majority wants to be on something, usually if you haven't learned how to self-medicate, but that that's one of the top ones that sticks out with my family like that. And then like the ancestry thing, I I've gotten more curious about that since we've moved up here because, like you did, the uh, what's it 23 and me and stuff, because I'm interested to know more about my dad's side that was I.
51:03
I don't know that. All I know is that it's all almost all swedish on my dad's side, but I never knew my grandfather on that side because he walked out on my dad and grandma and everything when my dad was like two years old and never looked back and never found him until he was on his deathbed. And my aunt on that side of the family reached out and tracked my dad down and found him to let him know hey, your father's dying, which at that point you know like it's it's been an eternity. I don't care. Yeah, you know, I would like to know you. You didn't do me wrong.
51:42
But I'm more curious about that, the ancestry thing, because I think a lot of the strong side in me and the healthier reserve and everything comes from that side. So a lot of my other traits and stuff come from my mom's side of the family and bloodline and even my grandpa, who was a huge, you know, six. You remember my grandma. Grandpa was like six foot eight, six foot nine, big, tall, lumbering guy, gentle giant. He passed on a lot to me of my, of treating people right, being a good person, stuff like that. My mom always says that she's like I see so much of grandpa in you all the time, the way you act and the way the way you'll do something for somebody else before yourself when you, when you need something, but somebody else needs something, you're most likely to do something for them first before you take care of yourself, and I like kind of got that from that side.
52:36
So so I don't know the ancestry thing I want to look into more because I don't know a whole lot about it. I have a couple books and like the family tree that my sister started looking into when she first started trying to get pregnant because she wanted to know going into a pregnancy. She knew no medical history from my dad's bloodline with the Olsen family and that Swedish bloodline so she started to research more to find out if there was any diseases you know, mental or physical that were in the stuff. So I don't know a ton about my other and I know I'm a lot swedish on one side. The other side is also a mix of scandinavian on my mom's side dutch, european, like irish, a little bit of a little bit of everything on that side.
53:27 - Mel (Host)
Yeah well, um, okay, for my ancestry. I didn't know a lot about my about. Well, first I didn't. I wasn't raised with my dad, so I don't know much about him. I know his name, I know what he looks like, I know he had a mother and that's pretty safe to say that's pretty safe to say that's it, you know.
53:56
So I don't necessarily feel connected or or know too much. Um, I know I took a lot of my like my appearance from him also, but then again I look a lot like my mom too. So that that's you know, as far as like just that superficial line, just you know that. But as far as like anything deeper, um my grandmother, there's a couple things. One thing was like and this is a generality, of course, but I grew up with a very macho Puerto Rican family my uncles, my grandpa and even the people that my mom dated early on, my dad and my sister's dad, kind of had that same type of thing. But these um, you know there was some abuse, some physical and and um like substance abuse in in that male side of my family. So what that caused in the female side was the um needing to like make up for that, and the women are very tough in my family, yep yeah very, very manly, if I'll you know.
55:24
I say like very, very I. I feel like I didn't really lose my dad growing up. I lost my mom growing up because my mom became my dad, and so I feel as if I was raised by my dad mom not because your mom does so I have that masculine yeah, and so I feel like I grew up without a mother, a nurturer.
55:50 - Aaron (Host)
You didn't have feminine guidance. No, I did not as a young girl.
55:54 - Mel (Host)
no, and while my mother or, I'm sorry, while my grandmother was alive, she was nurturing, but I was a child, I was a baby. So I think it's easier for women in my family to treat children, of course, like little babies. You know, you hug them, you love them, you put them on your lap, you sing to them, whatever. So I remember those things from my, my grandmother, but again, it there was never really like a nurturing, feminine, softer side. I had to really develop that, um, as a what like, what, what's the word? I skill, well, yeah, as a skill, but also like something to satiate me, something to like help myself out, and I think and and maybe I'm wrong, but like you know, those years when I was like, I became pregnant as a teenager, I was seeking out some, somebody to love me for sure. But when I I had my daughter, when I had Sydney, it was like this incredible thing that I got to love and, like, try to be a different way.
57:07 - Aaron (Host)
Trying to break the cycle.
57:08 - Mel (Host)
Yes, Literally trying to break the cycle of that harshness, of that kind of eternal anger inside. You know, know, it's just like this you wake up with the resting bitch face, you go to sleep with resting bitch face and you know and you just live with it. Yeah, no, and this is no shade to my mom like she had a very harsh father growing up her ancestral trauma yes, and, and so I mean thankfully, I married somebody who was masculine in a healthy way. Who some dude that I married? Who's this dude, I mean?
57:49 - Apple (Host)
I've met your husband now, but who?
57:53 - Mel (Host)
no, I didn't tell you about the marriage. No, seriously, like I, I, with the help of you, have, I feel, broken off some of that ancestral trauma in my life for real.
58:09 - Apple (Host)
So you can heal ancestral trauma just by living your life yeah, in a in a different way and by making the right choice, like definitely you have an erin coming to your life, brought a whole lot more masculine.
58:26 - Mel (Host)
Yeah, no energy, but with but I'll say this erin is masculine but very feminine in in his emotion. Like he has emotion, he shows emotion. Yeah, and maybe at first, when we first got married, he was just trying to hide it.
58:41
It wasn't that he didn't have it, he was just trying to hide it comfortable showing yeah, exactly so you know us needing each other for a million, a million reasons, but that, specifically, that his being able to like be soft with me and actually like love me and be tender, taught me that feminine side that I like, that I was searching for, that I didn't really realize I needed. I was just kind of like, well, I'm a hard ass, I'm a tough ass, I can do shit, and I was like you know, I think that there's. It's great in a lot of way. Why are you laughing?
59:19 - Aaron (Host)
because I just pictured you. I came home from work that day and you were up in the fucking gigantic tree over the pool in our backyard with a chainsaw, like with a rope around your waist yeah, that's when you had called me to get over.
59:30 - Apple (Host)
Like apple, can you get to the house and just, I know you're afraid of heights too.
59:34 - Mel (Host)
But spot mel, if she falls, try to let her land on you or direct towards the pool I, I feel like those types of actions that I have, like those crazy, like I'm just fucking going for it. That was like the masculine side paying off in me, like yeah, without the no fear. You know, like, and just like getting things done and like, no, like, I'm fine with it, I'll, I'll do it. I'll fucking climb a 30 foot tree, I'll. Yeah, can I borrow your chainsaw, dad, like over our pool?
01:00:04 - Apple (Host)
no problem, you know like the pool makes sense right, like I gotta say to you but you just talk about your family, like your family, your puerto rican heritage, it it. It's tough but it also has taught me from knowing your whole family for a while. You guys kind of wear your emotions on your sleeve. They're forward like like, have no problem sharing your life and be like you. I kind of come from a little bit more of the background. Like you. You put things away and you don't talk about trauma. Your family, like we talked about past that barrier. Remember when you guys got married it was scary meeting your family at first.
01:00:40 - Mel (Host)
My family's scary when you don't marry them.
01:00:42 - Apple (Host)
dude, I got threatened in a certain ways by everybody in the family. Some of them were directly like I will fuck you. I remember your mom saying you fuck with my. You know, I know you're aaron's friend or anything. You got his back, but you better have my girl's back because if you fuck with her I'll fuck you up and they kind of the same thing, even down your sister, who's the most loving person but has the same thing, kind of like you fuck with my family.
01:01:05 - Mel (Host)
Yeah like it's just past that barrier. Then it's like oh okay yeah, and like me, growing up and seeing and feeling all that stuff when I was very young, I was very proud of my Puerto Rican heritage and I.
01:01:23
I loved being Puerto Rican and all like. I was just proud of it. I thought my family was the shit, everyone was amazing. And then my family disbanded while we were married, right before Simon was born, or right around the time simon was born so this is like 22 years ago and I was like they're fucking bunch of assholes and I don't mean it like that they're really not assholes, but like they're so stubborn that there's unforgiveness is like the undertone of my family and that grosses me out.
01:02:01 - Apple (Host)
That's an ancestral thing, that's an exact. Well, it's leading me to this One thing I noticed. For your family it's kind of tough too to how to word it right. Like your family, like a lot of it, it's selfish, kind of Like they're all about like trying to get your uncle or your mom to listen to your problem, like this is what's going on.
01:02:23 - Mel (Host)
They're like not enough about you well, and they don't even say it. It's just like you're about to say something real deep and good, and then they bulldoze over. Like you know, yesterday I had a coke and it was good and like okay, what does that have to do with the?
01:02:35 - Aaron (Host)
trauma, so like I never even got to like spill my beans, because it was always like move on get on like go over me and I call it shooing flies oh yeah well, I will be like doing, you know, like trying to swap the fly while you're talking yeah, and, and my uncle and my I love my mom we have three hour conversations.
01:02:57 - Mel (Host)
It's great, it's fine, but like to try to be deep about something that I'm into. No, it's only deep about something that's going on with her narcissism and, and my uncle's the same way, my, my, you know. So, anyway, that has been a something an ancestral thing, trauma issue characteristic, whatever it is that I feel as if I have named and are not bringing it forward.
01:03:30 - Aaron (Host)
Yeah, no, that did not get passed down to our kids.
01:03:33 - Mel (Host)
Another thing was not having a husband around. That was a huge thing. That um no man you don't. I don't need no man for shit, you need to be smart at 10 times smarter than a man, 10 times bolder than like. My mom just had some dumb ass things that she would say, but like I think maybe 10 years, 12 years into my marriage, I was like mom, you were wrong she was like what and I was like I do need a man, and you do too, and it's not because you can't do it without him, it's because you need that balance.
01:04:05
We need that. And I told her I was like my kids are thriving because they have two parents. Listen, I know, not everybody can have two parents. What about parents that pass away? What about parents that they just aren't good together and they need to leave?
01:04:18 - Apple (Host)
Right.
01:04:18 - Mel (Host)
Like I'm not talking about that, but when you do have two people that love each other and that raise their children together I didn't see that growing up.
01:04:29 - Aaron (Host)
Most of us did. No me either, man.
01:04:31 - Mel (Host)
But Aaron and I, we gave that to our children and that has it literally broke that for me, you know, and it you know.
01:04:43 - Apple (Host)
thank you for helping me with that, babe You're welcome which, yeah, like seeing that you definitely, because now you've broken that with you and it's trickled down to your kids too. That's true, they're not they don't have the same thing they don't have hang same thing they don't have they got the little bits of it here and there. Well, I'd say, simon more simon's more broody.
01:05:02 - Mel (Host)
Yeah, well, I think both of them have it in their own kind of a way, but it's like this lessened version of it and I feel like that's what I was talking about, like healing something in yourself, lessens it for your children, lessens it for your grandchildren, lessens it for theirs. You know, the one last thing I would bring up about my ancestry, because I'm finding it very pertinent right now in my life, is the spirituality aspect of my family and how I grew up and what was I was exposed to. Um, when you walked into my grandmother's house and the immediately to the left of the door was like a cutout. There was a little cutout and it was an altar and it had beaded curtains that covered the little doorway and it had like one of those little things that you could like kneel down like at the church and it had like mother mary and candles and like it was a a thing to behold. But it also, even though it was very religious, it didn't seem religious. It felt magic. Was it messy? No, no, it was legit. It was like there was like pictures of ancestors there, like it was like a real thing.
01:06:27
Um, and my grandmother she used to have visions. My grandmother used to get visions and when she would smoke her cigars she smoked like those big fat stogie cigars and she was in a wheelchair for most of my time that I knew her and so we would sit in her. She had this rocking chair and she would sit and make smoke in the room and see visions in her smoke and tell me them in Spanish. So I remember this, but I only remember it as a memory. I don't remember the exact thing she was telling me. I remember, like sitting on and she would like with her one foot, like push the rocker back and forth, and I'm sitting on her lap and she's smoking, listening to Spanish music and telling me these visions.
01:07:17
I always thought it was fake until I asked my mom about it and she was like, oh no, that's, that's legit. We used to have seances and stuff like that inside of the inside of the house and this, that and the other. And my mom, she had a traumatic thing happen to her when she was little so she completely pushed any type of spirituality out of her life that wasn't religious. My mom went into like we were raised lutheran and so we kind of like pseudo christianity without any real rules, just you go to church on sunday and you give money, it's cool.
01:07:56
Yeah, you give money when you can, and easter it's all good, I showed up. Yeah, um, it's called the shyness of your team but I've always, always been into magic and just even religion, but not religiosity like I love the.
01:08:13 - Aaron (Host)
I think that was something that I brought to you well, but even before we met, that was something I was.
01:08:19 - Mel (Host)
That was why I was attracted to you. Like. That was something I always wanted to explore, but like didn't have the opportunity to you know, and so that that's. I think that was a huge part of why one of my um infatuations with you early on was like what like? He's into that kind of stuff.
01:08:39
He's a magic man, but but it was because my mom was like always hiding and pushing it away to meet somebody who was the opposite sex and openly talking about it and and discussing it was really attractive to me in a certain kind of a way I get it.
01:08:57 - Aaron (Host)
You know what I mean.
01:08:58 - Mel (Host)
I was like oh my god, he's into that shit like hell, yeah, and so I. My mom spent her entire life trying to push it away. I spent most of my adult life trying to embrace it, embracing it out and and at this stage of the game, I'm feeling much more closer to my ancestors in that way, since learning spanish that makes sense that totally makes sense once I had.
01:09:28 - Apple (Host)
This is just like a follow-up and not really a question to dive deep into because this could take us in the whole night. But like we've talked about this and stuff, I I feel like doing like mushrooms and doing psychedelics and things and even ketamine other things even smoking weed sometimes opens those channels more to like your ancestors and stuff of feeling like like. I know there's been many times, I think, like when we did the uh, we did our ceremony with the tobacco and stuff out in the way and you guys saw, I, I know what I felt and then you guys were like you got taller and you took all. You're like this, like kind of viking which leans towards my swedish, you know heritage and stuff, but I I felt like that many times on stuff where I'm, I'm me but I'm way more connected to like like, feeling like like we've all done that where you look in the mirror, you look at each other and you see that old man that's not really aaron but it's.
01:10:30 - Mel (Host)
It's like our ancestry coming through but do you feel like they have something to say to us? Do you know what I mean?
01:10:37
like I think they're always talking if time is not linear and they're alive somewhere. They're just not alive on this plane. And we're there, our dna connects to theirs and even our parents are alive, or our brothers or our sister, whatever, our aunts, uncles, like getting in any kind of altered state, or even like at in your dreams, or whatever like I I would say absolutely, because that brings it full circle all the way back to how I began this the thing with my sister last week.
01:11:12 - Apple (Host)
When they want to get something through, I think that's always in us, but sometimes when somebody that has passed wants to get through to you, they know how to do it, how to get your attention if it's something crucial or something they want you to know, or research do you think it's like coco, you know yeah, like coco, yeah the.
01:11:34 - Mel (Host)
Yeah, you know, like when you put your ofrenda on and you remember them and you talk about them.
01:11:40 - Apple (Host)
He was kind of blooty about it, yeah, and then he goes oh shit, I think.
01:11:45 - Mel (Host)
You know what I mean, like the acknowledgement.
01:11:47 - Aaron (Host)
Like we were saying, it's frequency, it's vibration and it's encoded into us, so energy doesn't die.
01:12:00 - Mel (Host)
Energy just changes form, but how like practically, how do you explain? Or how do you?
01:12:03 - Aaron (Host)
I don't, I don't I have fuck. I don't know if I knew we'd be a completely different podcast. I I don't know, I've never yeah, yeah, we, we don't know.
01:12:14 - Apple (Host)
We know, we know this plane that reminds me of Frida the other and I how it kind of closes out. She writes that two line note that where she's done, where she's dying, and it's like I've enjoyed my time here but I don't want to come back. It was like that's fucking heavy, I all I know, and now I'm done. When you go, tada, when I'm going back into the whole hive, electricity, whatever, and I really don't want to come back here, especially after you're dealt a hand like she was well, you know, I feel like myself, the side that sees visions, that's my grandmother was a healer.
01:13:05 - Mel (Host)
She had she had the ability to heal colicky babies. That was like a specialty of my grandmother. They would bring her babies that were figure that out it trial and error, I guess. Bring me the colicky babies. Well, yeah, she would have some kind of a way with them, and that would have to be something that came from ancestry too. Like to have that power in you is something that is built over time so that part I embrace fully because I-.
01:13:31 - Apple (Host)
Do we have a colicky baby? We need to see what Mel can do here.
01:13:35 - Mel (Host)
I think I'm more for seniors and adults than babies I definitely. Yeah, I'm definitely a healer or something for older people.
01:13:46 - Apple (Host)
Or older dogs or dogs. Yeah, doggies, you got the treatment yesterday.
01:13:49 - Aaron (Host)
I was thinking today about wizards and yeah, because I think about wizards and I was thinking that, like in the movies, how come you never see like a 24 year old wizard?
01:14:06 - Mel (Host)
you're not allowed to be a wizard in your 20s.
01:14:08 - Apple (Host)
You never see a 24 year old wizard you don't qualify as a wizard until you've got some like shit under your belt.
01:14:13 - Aaron (Host)
A wizard has always got grey hair and long beard and I know why now. Why I'm? Because now that I'm getting older, I know why. Now I can't spill the beans. But you have to collect, yeah, you have to earn being a wizard you cannot just get wizard you're too, you're too fucking excited when you're 24 about shit, yeah you can't, you can't go to wizard school and graduate in four years and be kicking it at 24.
01:14:40 - Apple (Host)
I'm a fucking wizard.
01:14:41 - Mel (Host)
Just like you can't get grandma, grandpa, you have to earn that.
01:14:47 - Aaron (Host)
You cannot just be it, you got to earn it, it's that stupid joke about the two bulls, the young bull and the old bull.
01:14:54 - Apple (Host)
Oh walking, yeah, yes, it's that. So, yeah, yeah, you can't be a 24 year old wizard, sorry, no that was what I thought today no, but if you're working not to discourage any 24 year olds out there that want to be wizards yeah, you just gotta put the work in.
01:15:09 - Mel (Host)
Yeah, it'll happen. Is it like an izzard? And you get the w.
01:15:13 - Apple (Host)
When you get the grade, you're an apprentice at that point yeah, you're like the sorcerer's apprentice you gotta, you gotta work through that like you said, with like grand grade first of all, you got to have a kid that then grows up and somebody has a kid that takes time.
01:15:30 - Mel (Host)
You know what? Because being a parent gives you certain skills that you don't have if you're not a parent apparently so oh. Oh my.
01:15:37 - Apple (Host)
God Very, apparently, so I know that's how they like once in a while.
01:15:39 - Mel (Host)
So, aaron, this is my last question how did Apple and I do?
01:15:45 - Aaron (Host)
I would give you a nine out of 10.
01:15:48 - Apple (Host)
Good.
01:15:48 - Aaron (Host)
Yeah. Yeah. Only because I can't give you 10 out of 10, because then I have nothing.
01:15:55 - Apple (Host)
Then there's no room to improvement. That's like when you get your room.
01:15:59 - Mel (Host)
I hate that. That's like when you get your review at work. Dang, you brought corporate America into no Simple Road, you guys crushed it.
01:16:05 - Apple (Host)
There's always got to be room for improvement. You can't give us a 10 because you know.
01:16:09 - Aaron (Host)
And you guys are getting a 2.5% raise this year, not three.
01:16:14 - Apple (Host)
Just keep it yeah, these are the things you need to work on.
01:16:17 - Aaron (Host)
Yeah, you guys crushed. Thank you for doing that. It was really fun. Um, everybody, go heal your ancestry. Hurry up, yeah, do it right now and think about your legacy, then I'll call you like I did yeah you don't.
01:16:32 - Apple (Host)
you don't have to have like leave things to you to have a legacy. No, oh man. No, you don't. It doesn't mean just money. But that'd be nice. I will make sure to leave everybody some money.
01:16:43 - Aaron (Host)
If anybody out there has got money that they want to leave to us, we are totally down If you want to leave us your legacy. I'm fine with that. I'll do it. I'll accept it really graciously and with a lot of gratitude is the word I'm looking for Gratitude.
01:17:00 - Mel (Host)
We'll see y'all next.
01:17:01 - Aaron (Host)
Well, this week, we'll see you on Friday with Matt Butler, matt Butler and his musical sojourn. He joined us in the studio a couple weeks ago and then the week after that is Trevor Clark, who you are going to be introduced to. So until then, take care of each other. Smile at a stranger Safety. Third Hydrate Love one another, love yourself, yeah, and you know what I mean. If you feel like it, if it's not weird for you to do it, do the 23andMe thing, man.
01:17:29 - Apple (Host)
It was super interesting for me to find out. I haven't done it because it Mel are on the same boat. I don't want nobody having my DNA.
01:17:36 - Mel (Host)
They already got it. They don't 23andMe doesn't.
01:17:39 - Aaron (Host)
You never know.
01:17:40 - Mel (Host)
I didn't know that I was.
01:17:42 - Aaron (Host)
Egyptian. That's crazy. So anyway, we'll see y'all on Friday. We love y'all.
01:17:46 - Aaron
Peace!