Good morning everyone how's it going I'm Aaron is to me is to meet you man N. I. Mel over here I'm Apple. we've had these other wonderful gentleman on before but not you so we're stoked to have your side of it to me yeah so am I. I'm out we can hang on let me start out with and I'm apple it's good to have you here P. so much this server this release that we're here to talk about I think is the strangest includes paying you guys by far and that's saying a mouthful no in lieu of the company that will write down the you know that it wasn't what I expected when we saw you at %HESITATION at PH you know you didn't tell us what was coming just told us that you had something coming up as usual and my mind was like filling in the blanks with all kinds of stuff and I have to admit man this was not not on the list of things that I thought like can you guys talk to us a little bit about this and and how this one came about %HESITATION sure %HESITATION if you want to go first it does here well I mean the the the chieftains are now legendary internationally renowned group %HESITATION it also %HESITATION Irish traditional music is if you've noticed in sort of the narrative arc of our releases every release is trying to explore different musical idiom that Ousley enjoyed %HESITATION taped kept the tapes for fifty years %HESITATION these in particular %HESITATION we found copies of these tapes that he had made for himself in Australia we found them in multiple locations and multiple copies made in the vault it was a tape that he clearly lost particularly October first nineteen seventy three tape I think he realized not only did you have a personal connection with the chieftains that came largely out of the nineteen seventy six %HESITATION recording and experiences you I came through the redwood forest with some of the band members that sort of thing but she knew in the seventy three performance remember they were opening for the for old men the way it Jerry Garcia's request nobody in the United States really knew the chieftains were outside of small pockets %HESITATION this was their first U. S. toward they'd played it one gig in New York I think in seventy two seventy one maybe %HESITATION which interestingly enough %HESITATION John and Yoko Ono attended it was a high ridge center and when they came in late watch the show and then left early so they can get mobbed but the band members could see them come in and sit down and then and then quietly so people knew the chieftains were outside of the U. S. knew about them in the U. K. certainly there were big in in Ireland right %HESITATION and they've been been playing together for a decade but when Jerry invited them to open for old men the way they were relatively unknown and I think it's probably likely that Owsley hadn't heard them before but house we had a great love of in traditional music traditional folk music and forms that out from his background sort of born and I think it's family some Kentucky and grew up in northern Virginia and that's still playing you know and and bluegrass music were a huge part of his background as it was for Jerry and Jerry heard this musical connection %HESITATION between the chieftains and bluegrass music that you love to play %HESITATION and so invited them to play and they're obviously heard immediately immeasurable talent that these guys and I think bear also realized immediately that yeah the sound quality of these recordings is other worldly %HESITATION this is the same essential set up as the old man away today that was made seven days later in the same venue and he was using the same gear and the same mikes and you know %HESITATION and this is the not the lost half of that old men the way sonic story and it's you know perfect pairing %HESITATION both sonically are in at the near the the the music is the perfect complement in terms of the sound quality to that old way release but also the perfect pairing %HESITATION substantively with the idioms of music being heard that night and bluegrass essentially and it's and it's its ancestor right now that was that was the thing that really like struck me about this one was I actually was wondering recently because I I just recently started learning how to pick bluegrass and I was like where did this music come from like wondering about it and then this thing came in the mail and I was like oh well okay lancer yeah but you everything's connected along with the along with the thirty page S. yeah thanks universe but like it you can when you listen to this recording at least I can hear the musical progression you can hear how bluegrass became %HESITATION how this music became bluegrass you know these people emigrated from across the ocean to the United States and brought their traditional folk music with them and then moved in to wherever in the United states down south and and other places and that music was now being infused with the vibe in the energy of be what it meant to be an American and live that life and I'm I only knew that story from bluegrass forward I never understood that from from this back so this is not only huge deal just to have the music put out but I think for a lot of people like me it's going to fill in the blanks where Lori didn't know the story before yeah and and frankly we didn't know the story either and it was interesting to to talk to Patty %HESITATION about that connection but it's not a connection that he's been there he was particularly clued in into like he he knew that he wanted to do a bluegrass Irish traditional blending and he did it took nineteen years after he played with the old in the way on the same stage is on the way for him to actually do it and I want to Grammy was an album called another country and then added two more down the old plank road and further down the old plank road which with that same concept of blending these two incredibly connected musical heritages together but we asked him to describe for us what the differences were and basically he said go talk to Ricky Skaggs he's got a schedule set you straight and so we reached out to it to Ricky who %HESITATION it was a bit of a scholar in his own right and certainly a legend in bluegrass and you know starting off on the first thing he said was you know the first time I played in Ireland I was invited to a party afterwards in a jam session basically the traditional musicians and I was only one in the band I wanted to go I think he was playing with any repairs done he said he could hear the music playing as he got out of the taxi walked up to the door and went in the door open he said he thought he'd died and gone to east Kentucky %HESITATION and the the connection that he heard immediately what it'll play was like this is this is where my people come from this is this is the music that flows through my veins and then when we got to talking where where are like ball started going off right left was when he would talk about the instrumentation because you noticed that others on the fiddle there's not a single instrument between bluegrass and Irish traditional music that is income %HESITATION there's no upright bass there's no manual and there's no guitar %HESITATION instead he got pipes and and you've got the bell rung up the war drum %HESITATION you've got Tim tam and like a dulcimer %HESITATION and %HESITATION the of course the famous Irish Irish heart %HESITATION the the Derrick bell place it's all different instrumentation but that fill different roles are they fill the same role they got analogs in American bluegrass and that's what Ricky Skaggs walked us through music well you've got the guitar they came to America from Germany got the banjo that came up from Africans enslaved culture from the south on the banjo essentially pushed out piping and so the ailing pipes was there wasn't enough room for pipes and banjo and he's gonna tell Earl Scruggs you get some pipes or get out the woman you know that the whole bill Monroe forming bluegrass listening to his uncle penned play the fiddle these sanction tunes that he his relatives brought over one came from Scotland so there's this this very direct connection but it's still different significantly different and where do you where do you come in to this wild mix of fun well you know it's it's specifically on this one it the bluegrass question it it you know he if you go on read Beowulf for even Shakespeare in school it's %HESITATION it's English but it's way older you could tell it it's different and %HESITATION you know I think on the bluegrass side when you sit down and listen to the tapes are they're exotic you know it's bluegrass but it's a two way older you get that feeling immediately and %HESITATION you know so %HESITATION so when you you listen to these tapes let's say you put on hold and then the waiting you put on on the chieftains you're recreating with cherry wanted you to hear back in nineteen seventy three first you hear the musical great grandparents and then use your bluegrass but they never sitting together you know they don't play with each other and so it would be another two decades before you get to cure what happens if %HESITATION that ancient music comes together with %HESITATION with the new music said that was a tremendously exciting moment when you when you fast forward to those new album street you get to hear them come together yeah it's it's such a arm it's really important I think that this is super important right now especially there's a really big bluegrass resurgence going on not in no small part because of Billy strings but other acts are at there's more bluegrass bands right now than I've ever seen you know and I think I am partly it was regional before I think that was always going on but I think that because of the popularity of it we're getting to see these local bands travel now that wouldn't wouldn't have had that opportunity with the popularity of the thing wasn't growing N. I think it's really important for not only the fans but also the musicians to understand what the history of what they're doing is and also us as listeners understand where it came from it came from it's kind of like %HESITATION you know for us talking to musicians in interviewing them changed our experience of seeing live music because now we understand the energy of the person that we're dealing with a heart we've got a chance to talk to them and feel you know who they are and and and then when you go see it live now you're you're rooting for your friend mmhm and your they're participating in the musical experience and I think that understanding this history is a lot like meeting a musician for us because now we understand where it's coming from and now the listening is different I have different years when I'm listening to bluegrass you know you know when we started listening to the music eight in many ways it felt familiar it's if you've ever been to Dublin if you're lucky enough to go to a club they call it did we give you six you use your this traditional music and it sounds kind of like bluegrass and %HESITATION you know so I said to paddy's so just as you said this part of the founder of the chieftains is Patty Maloney and %HESITATION last August we went to interview him and we spent three days playing the tapes for paddy in talking through %HESITATION song by song and what we can talk more about that later but at the same time we were going through the tapes with him we were going through the story trying to understand this music and I said you know well how is this different than that of music and it was like the needle scratched across the record questions he sat bolt upright and you know he can he said you know I never wanted this to be pop music this is not and what we gradually came to understand is that %HESITATION to new ears this sounds sort of like %HESITATION traditional Irish music but have you had this much bigger mission she was trying to create an entirely new form of music and it's a lot like what you're going to be doing in the United States Duke Ellington is taking the vernacular he was taking our instruments are our tunes what you would hear and %HESITATION bars like mature I'm porches and elevate it and put it together with %HESITATION into a higher art into an orchestra and this was happening touring Europe this was happening with you for acting %HESITATION this is happening with Bartok and hungry and in private and they were trying to create national music out of their folk music and had he was doing that prior you know this is a country who had been beaten down by the British and they had lost so much of their history and their dignity and this man was single handedly he was out there if you wanted to you %HESITATION elevate this music and we took our years sometimes they gradually pick out dad %HESITATION he he was doing is wildly sophisticated compositions and orchestrations and %HESITATION and we began to understand that %HESITATION he was doing something very different than the traditional music she was reacting to it so it they they would say it's %HESITATION traditionally untraditional did I get that exactly wrong I'm there's only traditional traditional international in any event I mean he's starting with %HESITATION compositions original songs that he's he's working with for hundreds of years old %HESITATION you know it comes from an ancient tradition and he was making it fresh with adding his own flourishes use it was more of a composer than anything else composer and bandleader and he got criticized because it's sort of what he was doing was sort of neo traditional Irish music and of course the traditionalist wants you to you don't break the rules now and we got this is set down the music supposed to be like this embarrassing now I want to add this instrument and I want to add that instrument I want to build this up so that's a much bigger sound and something you would never hear in a pub %HESITATION but then you know we asked in the survey I'm really glad I asked this question now but %HESITATION it's it's on excerpts on the CD what would you tell your grandchildren about your music like what's the thing that they should take away I think never if if because we're thinking about when I ask the question I think of our audience that that isn't familiar with Irish traditional music what should our audience be listening to but I put in the context of his grandchildren who in the U. S. and you know we're in the middle to end up making couldn't visit with them like what would you tell them is important about your music and the first thing he said notwithstanding the fact that he yeah look folks this isn't pop music but the first thing he says I would want my children my grandchildren to know that this is first and foremost a dance music I was wanting to get up and move %HESITATION then you know that I think to me illustrates the split between the music of the big house and music of the little else the big house being the academia and the concert hall in the little house being the pub and the house party and both of those are combined in the Irish musical tradition dating all the way back to Caroline %HESITATION and they're ten Caroline compositions on this chieftains released records and he he could write an ode to whiskey and that also have a head chopping contest with the great composer a giant composer Jimmy ani %HESITATION and it %HESITATION draw in his composition from the burbs hi baroque forms of the continent %HESITATION and also the the music of the pub and that's always been a part of the Irish tradition that's what makes it so great and complicate complex and Patty was emphasizing I think too that we see S. more crossover I I'd know that like I've heard stories about dog and Jerry when they first started playing together that dog was very traditional and and wanted to be by the book and Jerry was not when it came to bluegrass and that was like a thing that they found beautiful and playing with each other and and it worked out but we hear the same things now to today of the way bluegrass is transforming and changing the art form is is expanding and evolving evolving in a great word and there's traditionalists there like what the fuck you guys doing like this jam grass the bullshit by a white you know the bluegrass that's not bluegrass and I had a conversation with somebody about this recently and like in my mind heart isn't static art isn't finished do you know what I'm saying like boom there are experiences human beings on this planet we're alive and experiencing it until we're not and nothing is changing and evolving the whole time and art is the expression of the human being out in the world right N. USAAC even so much more so so to say that an art form should be this way I mean I guess I understand its roots but like it's like you need to have the respect of the old older %HESITATION you know lineage but at the same time you can't be afraid to have creative you know %HESITATION you know %HESITATION influence over what you're learning and that's amazing that he wanted you to know that it was dance music because just think about what dance really is dancing is jovial and fun and extra curricular and it allows you to kind of shake away and and be silly and and forget about your static way of always moving and being and so for paddy to really want to evolve this kind of music and let people know that it's dance that's that's a pretty lofty goal to put out there especially to his grandkids that thank move and dance and have fun with this semi traditional non traditional music like that's incredible and what is it like what a feat to to try to do you know and everybody's traditional you know way yeah there that's fundamentally sophisticated composition yeah it's grounded in dance music and don't ever lose sight of that no no matter how sophisticated it is no matter how many places like Carnegie Hall in play at the end of the day this music is about getting up and moving and it's so great to hear on the tapes you know at the end when they get to the Kerry slides you you could hear the whole get up and dance and and that's that's some of the beauty of bears according to is you get to hear that stuff the R. N. we've talked about this before but like really the only place that you're experiencing that even close is audience recordings of shows you know what I mean where you where the mikes are placed out in the crowd you're hearing that stuff a little bit but this is a whole other dimension of that what where did with these wordings in starfinder I'm wondering like as as you guys are going through this was there any particular challenges that this pose that was different than anything else as far as like the reels in the music that was contained there and was there any surprises for you here I'm well I mean they %HESITATION it this era was there there was there was in his %HESITATION in his stride as it were I'm done done sound and and making recordings and so you know I there were there weren't that many hiccups %HESITATION one thing that really was striking to us about %HESITATION these two these two shows in it you know it it will %HESITATION hawk was was talking about how this is a %HESITATION it's a great pairing with old men the way because %HESITATION you seem venue same week and and you know this first show was actually opening for old men the way %HESITATION and so you know you're if you listen to them side by side you're you're getting a more full DM Bersani journal survey experience where you're you're you're this is this is how the audience experience that night I got the chieftains and then they got old men the way %HESITATION but the other really cool element of this is that %HESITATION the second show %HESITATION several years later is in a different venue it's a great American music hall in San Francisco and %HESITATION when we first were listening to the %HESITATION to the tapes yeah one thing that that was immediately apparent is well the sound really different why did the sound really different and the answer is because they're in different places and one of the things about bears recording was that he wasn't just capturing the band and the music %HESITATION that that they were creating but he was capturing the space that the music was what's happening in and so the recordings have very distinctly embedded in them the sands of the hall and so you can really when you listen to a desk one and then you move on to the the great American music hall %HESITATION you can hear the sound change arm and and the reason that you know that the he probably might them the same way he he may even have been using the same exact microphones %HESITATION but the sound difference it you're hearing is is the space that that they were in that's so I've wondered this before with with your other releases is there is there any documentation for you guys as to how these things were Mike when you get these rules as their notes are like that's my job I was wondering that because hockey is you seem to know a lot about the mikes and stuff yeah I was there like notes that went along with the recordings there are very few notes that we have %HESITATION at all we've got %HESITATION this release in particular was probably the closest that will ever get we found a alive I witnessed the house sound man for the great American music hall his memory is X. Jordan there and just incredibly detailed memory remembered exactly what equipment I was brought with him that night how many mikes used which answered some %HESITATION mysteries for us about the sound you know he he only had eight Mike's as using two AM extends %HESITATION and he told us where he mounted numbness down where he set up the the recording was sort of down in the basement %HESITATION off to this stage B. R. audience left of a great American music hall that there's a little little room down near the dressing rooms that he set up and ran the wires from there %HESITATION and he had eight Mike's which the theory is that he might the seven musicians and put two mikes on the front and back of the power on the war drum and that left no Mike for the house PA so every time Patty speaks to the audience you're hearing paddy through the bleed from the PA system under the recording so it sounds like he's in in a tunnel and so we had to do some additional work because we realize that was the might of bear had to make a decision I only have eight Mike's there's a house PA Mike would be the ninth I won't make that because this is a band that doesn't have any vocalist anyway so let's make all the instruments so I'm like all the instruments to on the drum and the house Mike was just you know that the PA system so we had to do a little bit of the adjustment to the sound on paddy's announcements on that just the technology that didn't exist %HESITATION two decades ago %HESITATION but we could reach you reverse Hong on the sound of just on paddy talking to the audience so that you at home can hear him on the on the take wow how fun this is for you like that on this one I mean because you are on all these like detect detect it like in this one you got some extra because I imagine that to you will help you understand future recording means and when you hear something now you'll be like okay we know he used this that that no man this is awesome like figuring this out yes I mean I I wish you were here to tell us no more yeah I wish that we had more %HESITATION answer documentation every once in awhile see notes on the tape boxes but half the time I can understand %HESITATION I mean and and we do have we have you know things that he wrote to various people when he was corresponding %HESITATION you know he and he he %HESITATION yep %HESITATION like the the book here the dad %HESITATION that later Jackson %HESITATION yeah the Grateful Dead yeah thank you yeah my bookcase degradable they gear the %HESITATION the player Jackson book %HESITATION yeah he talked him extensively about the gear that he is so you know we can pull we can pull %HESITATION you know Ted bits from that and then talking to you know people that work with %HESITATION you know in a in a blood like wages and Allen roads and %HESITATION and %HESITATION you know Rick Turner %HESITATION you know who we just lost it and that was that was just a horrible loss because you know it was so unexpected too and and we had we had just sat down with Rick and and interviewed him and and %HESITATION had so many more questions you know because he was he was an integral part of building the wall sound in your ears right right there in the trenches %HESITATION yeah during all these really seminal periods of quickly building in an instrument building %HESITATION so you know we tried that we try to get back to the people who were there %HESITATION %HESITATION and you know that sometimes %HESITATION the collective amnesia haze %HESITATION more profound than others %HESITATION but %HESITATION you know sometimes we %HESITATION we run into the big vacation all fellow %HESITATION %HESITATION %HESITATION what what was not was not fond of the little Ganja and and has seemed a lot better it's funny after after several interviews with with this guy's name is Lee Brackman and he's just phenomenal we were so blown away by his memory actually had to ask him like we did to smoke pot and I'm like he's like no actually it didn't well that's the pattern yeah now we know now it all makes sense the other thing that that's amazing about this and it's true with all the stuff that you guys put out but the the booklet that comes with this thing is I mean it's an interview in itself you know what I mean that what you guys got written down there like you said it's thirty pages and then just the I know the people don't buy CD's as much as they used to and and that's sad because of stuff like this like yeah it does it it is it's I mean I feel like people should get the CD even if they don't have a CD player just for just for the Buck %HESITATION and and you know it's it's it's a it's a topic of internal conversations %HESITATION for us that how do we how do we get this material to people who were all digital and digital is is is so so ascendant %HESITATION you know do we do we produce them as books without the music and just just %HESITATION you know have it as an option to to to pick up it it the amount of work I mean you know these these two dropped everything and flew to Ireland in the middle of the delta search and you know I was I I couldn't go I was fully booked with work it was it was like get Patty said Hey come over and they said we're going and please wait a minute there's a pandemic guys that that might not be the best time to travel and and and they said no %HESITATION you know we have this opportunity we we have to take advantage of it %HESITATION and %HESITATION yeah and they went and you know it it is we are so fortunate that they did because you know less than two months later I think like six weeks later %HESITATION had a past and %HESITATION we would have we would have lost the opportunity to to share this music with them and and to interview him and get all these recollections that %HESITATION you know that's part of the story in the in the liner notes in in the day exploration arm you know so that the amount of research and %HESITATION and leg work %HESITATION that %HESITATION that you know hawking Pete %HESITATION put into these %HESITATION into these I don't know it's it is is you know truly impressive our is yeah you know are are are sensitive they're called these sonic journals right that he was %HESITATION wanted to capture what it did sound like in that room that night %HESITATION and to us they're signing journals as available as a series is trying to say well what else is there besides just the music we have to get the music right but if we want to truly take you back to the room it's a little bit more than music after fifty years of past so we want to get the stories we want to get the girl oral histories through when I find the old photographs %HESITATION we want to commission new art that captures the feeling of what it was like that night %HESITATION so tell us all of that together is the sonic journal it's I can I can imagine like I understand that the the convenience of things like Spotify and and downloading and streaming and you know what you're missing half the story %HESITATION that and the the context is so important and that's what the book keeps getting bigger and bigger because we keep we keep following the %HESITATION looks beautiful in the era of what it takes wow it really does look beautiful that day she had our ages I didn't know that was the thing that's almost free mobile that's amazing you can purchase yeah final okay I thought it was a book whose one and the the the poster of the gate full will be released on September second as well the general release date that's where a chat to me I love the you guys put you know on the LP because that's the most I'm I'm older like all sitting here I want something tangible to hold I like to this day I won't read an audio error or I won't read a book like on we can wonder what on candle or whatever I gotta have the book in my hand screw that looking at electronic screen with the that light in your eyes and everything and albums is it it's the best thing you can do all that with it there's some tactile and tangible about it I mean you know and and the smelly man I mean like when I'm reading a book it's it's I'm turning the pages but you know it's like I opened the book again and I remember the way the book smelled right we met we met this artist in Ireland we wanted we said %HESITATION what is Irish psychedelic %HESITATION what we with album artists while we were in Dublin and this young guy Connor Campbell comes in and he comes in with twelve inch king cakes so the actual size of an album cover and the details on these things you needed a twelve inch album cover to see all the little squiggles and marks and he was given painting with stained glass speaking and so we were going for this feeling of the book of Kells the book of Kells it's this devotional art from a thousand years ago and %HESITATION there is something almost psychedelic about it that these months monks are experiencing and %HESITATION you know so we said to Connor this is the feeling we're going through can you figure out you know what are these parallels and %HESITATION search the ram I said in my god that it's worth getting the vinyl just to see the amount of detail and when Connors paintings server if you hold it hold it up again what the %HESITATION full painting has is it it there's so many elements of the story that are inside of it so you got the big house over on on the far left their big tutor frame house capturing the big house versus the little house in the center you see that little thatched roof hut sticking up in the middle there's of course in Owsley Stanley thirteen point lightning bolt on the tree right above the fox there is so that to the right side there's a three eyed bear hiding behind the %HESITATION and the tree and that keep going start that does that bear bears have been extinct I think in Ireland for twenty five hundred years we brought back it goes there and then the the stories called the the the album is called the fox hunt because Jerry was fascinated with the Jerry Garcia was fascinated with the song the fox hunt and in seventy three when he met the chieftains and they spoke on the radio show together big Big Daddy %HESITATION times on his radio show %HESITATION Patty told us almost fifty years later the jury was fascinated with the fox hunt because the way it tells a story of a hot through several movements musically and get this musical narrative of all the the in all the movements show in there hang out at the at the launch then they the house pick up the scent in the at the chase and then they killed the poor box and they go back and they get drunk some more but what we wanted to make sure it was clear so this is a reflection of us and and our values and indicted by the way said that multiple times including on the recordings and it's probably a good thing that that foxes are hunted anymore we want to make sure was very very very clear that anything having to do with the fox nine here was not gonna result in the minds of the sports no he's actually in a way in the picture he's going away not only that but the %HESITATION hunters didn't bring any implements of hunting with them they brought their instruments and some a glass of wine dancing recently they use harsh language this book through other wine goblet that there's no way they're going to catch that fox and that was kind of the point to and on top of that with the stained glass in the journey not the destination exactly there are %HESITATION again showing how much Conor understands us there our magic mushrooms throughout the design in the underbrush I don't know if you'll be able to see any even close but they're in there where is one of the idea of that that is our laziness you know it the an aspect of this that we haven't talked about too is like you guys all understand more Progenics in that market genic building like the more that energy is put into something the more magical it becomes over time people's thoughts going into it you know psychedelics have an energy about them you know mushrooms and LSD and whatever but I think music has that same magnetic attraction to energy over time and this ancient music was originally I'm takin back back back was drew it stuff this was ritual music and that he came in %HESITATION the folk music and all that so the roots of this lie in magic and this stuff coming out to the public I mean just think for a minute about Ireland itself is the home of the fairies and and all that and this music coming out carries that with it that that feeling in that magic and having you guys put this together in the way that you did is such a %HESITATION like what you just showed us with the picture and all the stuff hidden in there it's a a visual representation of the the tradition of the thing there's a lot hidden in this and if you pay attention and look over time it will reveal itself you know what I mean but that's that's dope you guys that's I want to buy the other artwork yeah the attention to detail on this is just mind blowing yeah we %HESITATION we wait there it's funny because we we put a lot of work into it and said that the %HESITATION the graphics on this and and and putting together the booklet %HESITATION you know beyond that B. as in R. as Amanda work %HESITATION in the writing but then when we're trying to put it all together into a physical form %HESITATION you know trying to chase in the vision of the box on and and honoring this art I mean we got this we got this painting from Connor and %HESITATION and it just it it was so popular that it demanded that the that the booklet %HESITATION you know B. of a piece R. and it and it was it was hard it took it took a lot of iterations and %HESITATION you know and and we still we still you know we're right down to the wire trying to trying to tweak things and yeah at a certain point it's like nobody else has been but but I know I %HESITATION the you guys are so cute mentioned earlier like how everything's become so digital and it really has have you all thought of creating a digital aspect of this in the sense of like maybe like a digital booklet were like that digital you know the stories of paddy and you know everybody that kind of like I already know you do a lot of work I'm throwing it way more work but I I know I don't know that's the problem we thought of it you have like getting getting a lot yes once well yeah this one specifically seem so alive and so like the fox chase I could see that like kind of in my mind's eye a with the music and again I know that all of what you're doing is a lot of work to writing the artwork they traveled the reconstruction and the you know even just the emotion of it all of these things have an element to it %HESITATION but to get it into these people that somehow just don't want to do the physical copy I just feel like it would be so beautiful and it could be something incredible you know like with getting this beauty into a digital you know world would be amazing yeah we're we're L. again if if budgets and time totally worthless %HESITATION you know we had actually reached out to the cartoon company in Ireland the this incredible but really psychedelic version of book of Kells and transforming book of Kells into cartoons %HESITATION and we ran an animated yeah I want to do kind of a cartoon saloon there called and %HESITATION it it didn't work out there wasn't enough time it wasn't a budget %HESITATION but %HESITATION you know we many times for this project Ali Akbar Khan as well so there there's maybe something about instrumental music in particular but it just lends itself to yes Rafic design and movement and animation and it just seemed a natural we were thinking more in terms of like how we could tell the story through social media spots or posts and %HESITATION it didn't didn't pan out for this one as it didn't really pan out with belly up or con mostly because of the cost cost in time but if you follow us on Facebook you'll see every week we've been revealing a different part of the story and our person this week we we really wrote about our connection with paddy and pictures of us in Ireland %HESITATION and and had a chance to really publicly speak about how much we were touched by his his life and how devastated we were by his passing in the middle of a project that he was very much hands on %HESITATION Ellen we sort of regroup their selves up looked at the project in a different way like now we've really got to you know turn this into something that's going on everybody's life in music and and the personal connection we felt with them but that was this week's post next next post is actually gonna be about Connor Campbell the the artist and introduced the world to this phenomenal twenty eight year old %HESITATION thirty year old maybe artist and the then we'll start to focus back on the music again and and focus on certain of the musicians other than paddy like there well it was just a character and everybody we talked to him Patti Ricky Skaggs to Brian Masterson the great sound man %HESITATION bell had a terrible story okay has seen some %HESITATION and %HESITATION you know he's totally unassuming harp player if you think I could tell the James Galway story will that have to be edited out sorry %HESITATION there well you gotta get a picture there I mean he's always wearing a suit and he's got glasses and surround faced with the heart totally unassuming came out of the I think the Belfast symphony orchestra when I recruited him %HESITATION but James Galway did you familiar with the James Galway is the Irish flute player %HESITATION is your best quite a large ego okay he had finally agreed to to play with the chieftains they were gonna do an album together the stars just aligned and so he comes into the studio and %HESITATION he starts warming up on on the flute weighing %HESITATION Slater the bumblebee he's playing and he's trying to be impressive and there takes a look at him grabs his mobile and plays it three times as fast the justices over down quietly the whole thing okay S. is so priceless they got totally class off your the need to say anything I mean to me like that reminds me of like those like we talk about sort of head chopping contest the reminded me of like the road house scenes yeah yes you know where where you get these these blues legends going at it yeah now lick for lick these two Irish traditional music musicians with great reputations incredibly proficient at their craft having this moment of attention through the music in the studio it's not Derrick bell for all of you out there he looks like maybe Benny hill hello a little bit in the suit hi yeah do you know that's the stuff that's awesome too is like finding out those those stories tonight I can't imagine for U. N. and P. like having the chance to go over there and and hang out and like because this is regional the music is definitely regional right it's the Irish music and then going getting the chance to go over there like where this stuff is from did it did that give you guys like a completely different perspective on this yeah I mean there were parts to this story that we we don't speak the language we don't speak the culture and so what was common sense to them as far into us to be kept talking for example they kept talking about Google a Google and that meant nothing to us and they talked about Derek brown and it turns out %HESITATION Derek brown is the heir to the Guinness fortune right so little is his house and when we say house we're talking about in ancient hunting lodge on land so large that it's %HESITATION yeah ten percent is because Dublin itself but this made no sense to us and it's sort of like talking about Bill Gates is how's your radio folks something so funny they said you just drive out there okay okay so %HESITATION where they are so we hop in the car and drive out in our outside of Dublin go up this mountain and you look down and it's absolutely enormous and suddenly we started to understand that %HESITATION Patty who's a little house guy right Jeez his dad is a police sergeant %HESITATION he's a man of the people and I his his best friend over there was the Guinness there and they're the same age and it turns out that this error to the Guinness fortune was traditional Irish music and he was like an elbow Max over there he drove around with tape Jackson would record ad pods in record add %HESITATION candy shares and Patty was hot shit so he sees paddy out there %HESITATION as a teenager you know just waiting it out does this master of his instrument and character friends him and can it takes him in and for the rest of his life yet this very close friendship with %HESITATION Derek at this place Luca which we finally find out that this young long yarn we've been calling on is sort of like a a salon it's like %HESITATION this doozy place where Mick Jagger is hanging out of Paul McCartney's hanging out and %HESITATION in paddy stairs you know amongst all these people and %HESITATION it just didn't make any sense if we hadn't been there and we hadn't been in the room with his Irish people talking about it it never would have made any sense but it really rich the whole story that just goes to show that music is like the great equalizer when it comes to like money as station in person you know personality and stardom and whatever lowest to highest when you meet with music that all ends and now we have common ground to stand on that's the shit that's what it's all about right there man I am so gentleman for all the people that are now ready to buy the L. 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Y. foundation dot org %HESITATION got all our releases there thank you bieten and vinyl or CD or both %HESITATION poster do there will be available at all of its available September second every one of them is as good as there is a lack of there there all like the attention to detail in the mastery well I would say is is amazing I would say to lake for any music teachers out there what an incredible pairing the Owsley Stanley foundation can be for your students and I'm just throwing that out there to anybody who's listening because what you gentlemen are doing is really retaining the history of the musicianship and the recording one in the same and that is very special in addition to the history of the musicians N. dot is invaluable to somebody I know a lot of these days %HESITATION some kids that are playing music well don't know the history to the music that they're playing and it's not anyone's fault but when you package it in such a beautiful way what a day on it great entice Sir for for younger generation that while people really took a lot of time and effort to tell the story preserve the music and share it like this is something like I said that could really be like a game changer in a music class so thanks for that and I just wanted to say that to anybody who's thinking about you know it is a chain because this would this like if somebody if I'm in a music class any presents not only this beautiful artwork but all of that I talk about buying of course I'd buy it but like just the act of like learning and and eating it up while you're learning the music it it it changes it so thank you for doing that we can say okay what's gonna say it the clap every time I see you you are %HESITATION definitely our most repeat guests every time we love every time we hear something from you we get so excited especially that the back and forth I look like tell us what's up next year like what we care like what they anticipate there's every time we know that we're going to sit down with you guys which you know we usually know a few weeks or so in advance the anticipation building up to sitting down with you all you know it your your teachers to your yeah learn so much from where you were usually the most quiet of any interviews we have talked to you guys because we just you're given us the knowledge of what goes into this and it's great to have you on here this time as well he yeah I can hear you know see another person behind this an idiot like Mel said just thank you so much for doing this and also hawk it was so amazing to get to meet you in person when we're at peace trap when we walked in there and saw it first of all they set you up with an awesome playlist it's Robin Hood and anything you like all the traffic went by there and to see you there was just so amazing and I can't wait because it's gonna happen we're all gonna get to meet some day and be in the same place or something and I just thank you so much for what you're doing like Mel said for this is gonna teach people stop it teaches us yeah you know we're we we specially to get older you get a little more jaded like al I know everything about music and stuff and you guys are bringing us you're taking us to class every time yeah I don't know about all that yeah well and this one has got it this one's going to jump up there because at at the Ali Akhbar Khan is definitely the one I've listened to the most too because I played it like going to bed waking up that that one it you know I I listen to that so many times we've turned so many people want to that too yeah yeah you know that's one of the one of the things I love to share with people is just like you you need to know about all the Stanley lake Ali Akbar Khan all of these incredible and people don't know so to be able to you know turn people on and then there's so much to like follow up with that's amazing in the Johnny Cash one to one that won't go because so many that the addict that gets so many demographics yeah all of which are ana Kasparian body has withdrawn its ass section I listened to of my grandpa or this or that and it's like you think you know everything Johnny Cash listen to this shit and then I talk to you tomorrow and it is blown so many people's minds that I that I know and have been like okay listen to this and then you know then let's talk and for all those people out there that like love this as much as we do I want to remind everybody that you can sponsor real yes you can save this stuff this these tapes are made part of it and that magnetism goes away over time they're trying to save this stuff and you can sponsor real if you go to the house the Stanley foundation website and you know work it out so that we talk about doing all the time we get the chatter that we would love to be part of a you know sponsoring a real estate it's great so guys in fact this this very release of the reels were originally sponsored by a doctor real patrons %HESITATION really they get a liner notes credit princes adopt a real patron and %HESITATION other really cool thing was %HESITATION Dave's picks forty three one of the shows was also sponsored by an adult they're both Housley tapes for dance picks forty three the Grateful Dead %HESITATION and one of them was reintroduced to Dave Romeo when one of our patrons preserved the real Jeffrey Norman heard it in the transfer process and said if you get a check this out this is really really good %HESITATION and they selected that one and then they gave a liner notes credit to the Owsley Stanley foundation adopt a real picture and we we did the we did the liner notes one of the sections of the lanterns well that's that's one of the cool parts about the adopt a real thing is like you can't pick and you don't know what you're gonna say it could be anything and you could be the next adopt a reel patron that does the next Dick's picks or not maybe a lot of people going to was sort of the right sort of frame of mind that you know this you never know what they've been told to preserve them you know it's it's it's never fun to say you know that tape you sponsor didn't really thing on it well very that's a very rare occasions some dealers that we thought it out on it that's something completely different which is cool but it might not be what you think the musical lottery yeah yeah it is great we can all relate really well just thanks for what you all created it's it's gray and like apples that it was great to meet you hawk in person in the attic and notes that was wonderful because it was so funny just you know different people in different contexts that's an errant came up that they were recognized in person I know this guy all three of these voice only see my brother yeah it's it's funny I was running into that yesterday too that that contextual memory it's like you know in it when you have so many different things going on in different different groups of people and then somebody comes up to you in a in a in a space that doesn't place you wear them from person I know there are yeah have we met before the first time no P. O. no we we we have an idea it's %HESITATION I don't I don't usually get out to the festival's my ex younger kids %HESITATION so now it is it's a pleasure to meet you yeah you too if you don't familiar right you're saying I'm like where we're doing no one from but well we we we %HESITATION you know I mean before we had kids basically recall that all three and a pleasure to spend time with you all today thank you so much yeah I'm just going to do it because we always do it right what's the next one okay yeah whatever it is we have also forward to doing this again I know what it is well it's music okay and not only is there music it it's good news what are you doing what you're doing man we love you guys you guys I will go give give one hint about the next one we are almost finished with that actually was %HESITATION %HESITATION and it's going to have %HESITATION five or six different artists will be playing on it B. three CD set the booklet if you thought this booklet was big even bigger we were at a section at each of the artists so Pete since you need to know simple road what is it it might be new to you and still no your tricks we love it all right guys think the %HESITATION the the the media books that we discovered with the %HESITATION with the Johnny Cash release the this this little hard hard cover bound book more maps %HESITATION we just we just love it because it it is it is such a so well suited to our approach to presenting the music and you know I I it's I wish we'd found it earlier %HESITATION so that we could %HESITATION you know and I'm I'm I could tell and I keep telling the guys that we when we run out of stock for our earlier releases we're gonna have to redo a mall you know in in this format so that we have the books full when we collector's item for all of them you know that when we got in the mail I was like yeah we gotta give cool yeah right on you guys enjoy the rest your son that and if you need anything from us in the meantime let us know okay well like what is the right word to to hearing this is always a pleasure to be on your guard you you know what I think thanks Blake put music to this and and put it out yep that's the date these guys these guys definitely speak for themselves yeah let's just say do I don't think there needs to be an intro and outro on this I think we can just do this yep what is implore you to go check these guys out and what do you think about what I'm doing very buddies on the bandwagon absolutely I mean it it really is a standalone there's it out we love talking to them we're always happy when they're back we're interested because sometimes I mean we didn't know about this music we didn't I mean the chieftains we never heard a specific I only I knew the name E. D. no we didn't know about paddy we had no idea about any of this and so they come in it feels like a standalone episode on its own right and I I just I A. M. because this just came out I don't want to wait weeks to get this out I I just I want to do these guys get it out quite yet yes is good this is that you have that this could become available September second okay some all right so we can wait a little bit all right yes so anyway what stood along on its own but now it promoted. Owsely Stanley Foundation.