Tim Carbone on Instagram at Tama Buddha bone and you can see this he does so many other things he does wonderful like black and white photography travels around a lot post pictures of this cute little cats and stuff so you can see more about this man's life and interesting things he does at ten AM bhuta boat and you can also follow rotor yeah you have to do that as well and you know Broder th also had a a new album come out in twenty twenty two it's called all for the song and it's out everywhere that music streams it is amazing forty nine minutes a new music man you got to check that out so without further ado the no simple road crew gives you Tim Carbone of recruiter we she the she this the so this she the hello there that was last minute scrambling on are and how you doing good evening wow where are you guys we are in Portland Oregon and of the three of us my name's Mel that's Aaron and apple we all live together and this is our studio and in our homes are down down the stairs yeah there's like a a second living room in our house in the corner of it is turned into the studio that's pretty freaking awesome we would love to have you over anytime I think we would love to be able to host you while you were at string summit but you know how festivals are you know we plan on doing things and other things happen I was super busy I played six sets of north responses for ten yeah we saw you all over on stage there it was just yeah we're gonna rework handyman well you know Tim like I said I'm Erin %HESITATION we met briefly when we were there it was it was crazy you know part of it too is like where our %HESITATION our interview area was at the time that you were scheduled with us was like mid day three o'clock sun two and A. R. yeah eight hundred degrees in there I wanna put you through that too bad though I'm glad you know the other thing was that I just when I tried to come back after a missed the first one I had no idea I'm not a student the shuttle's we're just not yeah your waiver so Sir I mean it was basically I waited like forty minutes you know how to get the struggle it was supposed to pick me up I mean I'm not blaming anybody because everything gets very confusing but well I'm glad that we got to do this tonight yeah if this is part of the students it's probably better to you because it was really hard to do interviews and here really good while we're out the festival but we did last day we ran and Arthur Lee land and our third told us he's all the man Tim tried to catch you guys were like well you know what we'll catch up with you and have a better interview where we can hear each other well and now %HESITATION it's post summit and you know it was a pretty incredible and memorable memorable time how is your experiences summit this year Tim was fantastic all yeah it was great our you know are you former house band but you know exactly what all it was until like mediocre five days before and then I got all these piles songs for what they learn these online right now I mean I learned I was let alone in a lovely I'm pretty good with being able to play as a you know if I hear one surety usually fall it worked out fine with me I mean I I did spend some time on on in the morning when I gonna before I went to the festival site I played through each song you know but I was gonna I was gonna get to try the George was gonna come in right I haven't done much can when push came to shove a lot was like you know I don't I don't need all such a scam I'm strictly it see how it goes and went fine yeah from from our end yeah better better that was the it's quite the experience for all of us Anna you know part of the reason that I wanted to talk to you just wanting to meet Jen speak the anyway was you know the that festival had a huge impact on the three of us %HESITATION in twenty nineteen we had just moved from Las Vegas a few years before and that was the first experience we had with the local festival in Oregon and %HESITATION the vibe is string summit was unlike anything that we had experienced at any other festival and with this being the last one I I was just curious from a musician's standpoint like what your take on that particular festival is in and what you think of its run of twenty years but in your role was I didn't realize it was going on for twenty years yeah I had no idea only because it seems crazy but yeah I mean but I mean we've been what about your last job hang Seng and that's only been ten years with the right now we're just assisted me a lot of your own but you know J. slaughter well you know it's just great Malacca wrestling for cystic since I yeah yeah I came along the wall I mean we are stressful or Hank sounds not quite the same size almost the same size it is probably comparable in size to more restraints on it because we have our we have to see just what they have what they look for speech so it's it's a little a little bit bigger but I mean it takes a ton of money America and go and so we we we spend four million dollars on everyone else there were a little guy you know we're probably like four thousand people where I think we have about the same yeah that it was about five thousand this year five thousand years so we're we're housing last year when they were they sold out I don't know that they are really sold out before I goes for your last one sells out I always go to something like that you think about that everybody comes out we've we've heard from several people we've talked to in the music industry it's very hard to ever really turn a profit on a music festival yeah I mean so you know I was involved in many years ago and then in the early to mid nineties putting on festivals in New Jersey and %HESITATION no I never made it done so yeah well you know lost a couple of thousand dollars on the first one and came close to breaking even on everything else no most of the time it you know you just resign yourself to work for a school or working where you're doing is basically %HESITATION you know continuing in promoting the culture my guess is okay I mean the what was it like you said it's not for sissies and it's also most people we've talked to you can't like Skype putting on strings acoustic sky and Graig in them doing string summit it's just you gotta have a love for the music you're you're you're not looking to become a rich man you're just looking to support the community you know do some almost honestly I had it our conversations and drones on and and the reality of the situation is that every single one I want to make it's not it's not it's it's always going to be altruistic because the only reason we're going to start doing this stuff is crucial water right yeah you know it's like any other coming off like any other but it's similar to the I used to go I used to do I haven't in a long time but I've done I've done probably a half dozen or six or seven or eight my high school job fairness you know where you go in and kind of explain what you do students will be considering being what you're doing you know a professional musician and the first thing that I say right out of the gate is like if you're getting into this to make a lot of money you need to go do something else because the only reason why you should use a professional musician and you know we're not just a professional musician but a musician as playing original music as chasing that dream you only need to be doing this if its the %HESITATION if you if you don't you're not running this year this is something you have to do because his car you're no although I still do it because I mean there's a whole lot of sleeping on floors in each room or Joe Sammons and rice and beans you know I went through it for years you know no complaints here yeah I live I live the greatest life I can even imagine I mean I mean it's just on the wealthiest sorry the that's that's great to be able to say that you know all in one swoop plague you're not gonna make a lot of money it's hard work but I'm the luckiest man lake I think that that's the best thing that you could say in a career fair to somebody it really drives it home where you're happy but you're money and happiness don't necessarily have anything to do with each other no I walked out I looked up because of stored where were you James you know we were able to it took a couple of years like literally like it was I mean the first couple years or or I mean you know we were in the van and trailer and sleep in we were eight people six people in the band and see people in in our don't forget a week from now sky order my order she was still with us and we had a girl was shot show in March and then the six members of the band in a band we slip Dana was swept foreigner room in two two hotel rooms with blow up with old mattresses on the floor so we wrote you down in the bands to blow up mattresses and that went on for two years and everybody was making a hundred and fifty dollars a week what you know I I took a second mortgage on my house this might my wife was in graduate school so she was our well you know it all worked out you know you just told your roll the dice you roll the dice you just you what do you want on your card you know what would you do one because it's it's freaking awesome it's hard you know there's no there's no doubt that you know you're you're away from home and if it's not the easiest thing to do if you have kids and we have a couple of you know if you guys in the band that have kids you know not not you know not and now it is anywhere in everything's sucks so he's on a great position anymore and I can get sick and the whole thing grow once all threats what was the what was the thing to put the hook in you man well what made you want to deal with that it's a damn good question and one that honestly no one's ever asked you wow %HESITATION so I came from a family of I have a Cup Cup a couple older brothers were musicians one was fairly successful both and ultimately was not on I actually violent I don't know I guess the controls for every source we're here to hear I %HESITATION I when I was in grade school fourth grade in a different school system I was in your you got to choose your instrument to play right you know and now my current fiscal gave me one one rules to be guided by which is whatever instrument shows it could not be something that they had to write so that woman to string instruments violin viola cello or bass or drums and I was already playing drums %HESITATION I was in a drum and bugle corps storms plane I was going in and sheer drama drama you will core error I played drums in a little you know garageband no we were playing in the snow Beatles rolling stones in the monkeys and you know and then we were awful so just but we didn't care we had to look those girls and it was like two girls in the neighborhood that came down and they work overalls and we when we practice is the key thing on this is great yeah there's also I want to do more I took my linoleum the only reason why choose violence this I had a crush on this girl in fourth grade Jenny givens shoes %HESITATION will %HESITATION story belong girl she was grown opener in the whole class I knew she was going to take violin so I was like well sure on the sigma and I waited all summer long we can only get in fifth grade when I would take the first lesson and when I got in there when to hold rooms first day and I looked around no don't be given what's going on so I guess your best friends which was Jenny what's wrong she spoke your dad's in the Air Force and then moved away to Germany over so I never had I never saw them again once again let's start with the violin but luckily I picked it up hello I love the way it sounded more it it has the strain that went up late and it was so right by bringing my whole head with the notes and you know just got right into it and I was able to play I was able to play it right away I can have a good here so it will play in June I figured out how to work right away so it was way ahead of the game or I already started because I can make a noise that didn't sound like you were tortured check her so that's how I started and I got right into it you know when I was already clean before it well when I was born in drones and %HESITATION no basement band you know right right do you know what I was gonna emulating my my older brother and then my brother Joe can I use my next oldest brother he you please %HESITATION he played guitar and haven't been I also played organ because once a ceiling when the band started after about a couple months ago I moved on the street I have all I had was never drawn a symbol the guy moved onshore block to have a full drum set when I was I was out of the pain all right but I got what I had it I got it a little and a little %HESITATION Wurlitzer organ and I taught myself how to play the songs on the organs annexing or was it you were closer you're back in yeah I'm back in if he you know it I think for a lot of us man like at least I know for myself I've had some it it live music experiences that like our mile markers in my life that made me love music N. want to be around it want to be in it I want to do it like do you because I you know you just told us that you're playing like Beatles songs and monkey stuff and things like that as a kid but like do you have any particular musical experiences that you can remember that like made you say like that's what I'm doing %HESITATION right away the very first thing that major but let's make sure everything else was what was seen the Beatles on ed soul hello okay that was it first the first time they were on television I saw a soul girls going out of their freaking minds and I said to my little turn my mind I was like that's what I want to do all %HESITATION she said oh no you do but well you know sometimes things work out I mean well it from my parents because they didn't they didn't really think my my older brothers were doing anything worthwhile in their lives but they they essentially for for beating me to join a band when I was a teenager so then I was fourteen for sure I'm I'm I was fourteen I joined a bit high school band called Jasper and I had to sneak out of my parents were in bed by eight o'clock because they all go to work and it will kind of like stupid like five o'clock on one so they were simply shoring sawing wood by nine o'clock okay and I would sneak out of the house with my apple farm my fiddle and go in and trying to rehearsal you know because we rehearsed they were a rigorous and we rehearsed enough the drummers so garage and it was all like pretty much sound proofed so they could make noise and anytime they wanted and all those guys I was a freshman everybody else in the band was in college B. had blinked a job somewhere her wrist it was we had to be like after dinner so I was like well I can I can make it by like nine thirty because it you know he's like talking about it but it was kind of a trip me can be super reverb fender amplifier and my my fiddle trucking up young back then yeah right right yes a little bit of world world yeah totally hello this is a waiter from well I can't I don't see anybody get hurt anymore hi hello on the server people coming down the dirt road into northwest string summit right %HESITATION shit you know from the Beatles to railroad earth is is a there's a quite a distance between that night I fell in love with bluegrass music at summit I mean I tour with the dead in the late eighties early nineties and like I've always been around bluegrass it's been around me for forever but mostly clear crystal dense number %HESITATION no no no I know I'm just saying like you know dog in and doc Watson and that stuff was always around the Grateful Dead world like that yeah thanks Jerry at all in the way that stuff but like I fell in love with bluegrass at summit all three of us yeah yeah and even senses started learning how to pick because of that and if you are older how many of those known over spring some just go just these last two were the ones for us like nineteen and this one and %HESITATION but what was the what was the thing with you ten that that made you fall in love with bluegrass %HESITATION so I plead %HESITATION country rock band back when I was a distorted when I was seventeen all right until I was twenty or less movement %HESITATION halfway through okay socially nineteen and a half or something like that called the Brzesko Moreland we're pretty big band I was really only have one left a couple of players on long islanders from where I'm from Long Island New York and no date through them this was like nineteen seventeen two three I can't remember exactly when but I mean I I had I was aware of lubricity foreman %HESITATION I was a fan of the flying burrito brothers in arms defending our scenes and %HESITATION and you know but going with with the breast of playing in the breast we the banjo player in that band used to you know make sure is like I'm going this lower threshold as planned you should come you know and sort of go to dinner the first bluegrass festival I wants to win so great Carrington of bluegrass festival which eventually became %HESITATION where hall which which which became gray fox which is a big bluegrass festival thing going on for I mean I mean the same people in great Barrington all the same people that gray fox that's how long I mean we're going to connect Lucas festival which more fruit to it for various reasons for different names and we moved around in two different locations one first one wasn't returned to Massachusetts right on the New York border in the in the Berkshires shuttle bus vessels always been in the Berkshire mountains okay so I went to that first and then we got invited to the band even though we had a drummer who did get invited to Smokey Smokey greens wrestled on the Carolina play and %HESITATION you know and so then I got I got pretty much got it totally do you do with bluegrass from the banjo clerk seems just a huge fan I liked it but in the end and then I'd be all the sort of change annually some of the filters I mean well you know obviously breast implants is a touchstone for me but the guy that is the big touching from Barbaro on elsewhere this year so go Phil player in on those grounds for some records and he was also in the original hopping with Emmylou Harris okay displayed on a two on the stock I mean he's on track for your home the rolling stones from lately that filled that's him or she'd referred on the band's album best barber on Plymouth rock I called I called universal yet used it for pass away yeah that record store in Oklahoma and I was like cool cool she'd look as I said on their website that they had just just going order like what if you were to wear her chi you wanna learn Phillips and this call in order Bayern Berlin will make it will make it to you free why Ross told you on that right and so I I called up and I get on the phone and I kinda recognize voices are heard on the street and you said hello by amber along with C. spire so yeah I'm like and then I just started following us so much that you don't do I don't know what the hell's going on but you're plainly open tuning one but she drove forward and it sounds like to me it sounds like you you're tuned the violin %HESITATION I have stepped it was like oh yeah that'll turn this is what I do so does it all of them so %HESITATION stands for people think a moral round screw them up I'm not black short she's now you are not here but he's not well go ahead no I just think that's beautiful to be able to have a yeah meet your hero and have a conversation like that and yet be so random I cold called from a hotel room in Seattle at like eleven o'clock I had a wild look in order to do this national children born Berlin full you know ten years story kind of sounds like a lot of musicians in the sense that like you start playing and then these opportunities open up lake okay so how many fiddle players are there you know on where you're right %HESITATION are there it seems as likely if you ask me you know you ask you I don't know six times on that stage Tim in one festival no I just think that that is really wonderful commonality when we hear people's stories that opportunity just kind of happened when you start following and getting serious about your dream like I don't know I just started playing and you know and then I met this guy and then I met this woman and then next thing you know you know thirty years into a highly successful career it just happened you can't really map it out it just did it you know it's it's funny you should you should mention the costs are I'm writing a book because you know I'm not quite old as dirt but I can taste it %HESITATION you know so I think that I've lived probably several life times and I've had a lot of experiences and really good things and I have lots of stories on writing a book and I'm one of the chapters I'm finished this call it's not what you know it's who you meet %HESITATION I found thirty three more than three but I chose three absolute like touchstone split change my life like I'm you know musicians and actually more for me because I I feel myself is not just a musician but also a producer of prince records is on a looming yes I've done a lot of records and I'm working on my I'm actually just finished my seventy eight record congratulations that must feel great what kind so I mean I saw on his website he said I consider myself a musician but I can't I don't know if I will be playing for the rest of my life but they're gonna have to pry my hand my cold dead hands lamina Hanson yeah those three people I picked were of producers and engineers said basically you let me down this path step this older Pathanamthitta I'm hello you know very much interested in the night the I continue to grow and learn it's a never ending learning process by the way playing the violin this never ending one I know I took lessons in grade school but like in a no we're not in the class and A. class you know when a group of other nerds you know when I can I DO I actually stopped going to lessons one you know I probably seventh grade in a self taught also your number and you know I Mel and I had the awesome opportunity to see railroad earth on new year's eve here in Portland I think it was eighteen twenty eighteen and I was reform %HESITATION the Rosalyn at the listen we would roll which is a while the old I Love Me some funky we entertain working the winner yeah but %HESITATION yeah I noticed and if I'm wrong whatever but it was the first time we had seen rotor and it was a really magical evening and %HESITATION it being two years even just seeing you guys for the first time it was it was really something in a you're playing has a very %HESITATION what's the word I'm looking for %HESITATION classical feel to it it's it's more than fiddle playing there's a Indian classical in yeah I'm usually yeah %HESITATION but I'm not a big one of my Cruz is the only %HESITATION stenciled on Khan was sorry he player and hello hello displaying a second factor for some are pleased with the I did a show we're on the same bill as Sir Derek trucks and and I've all I've always liked list when I was struggling thank you listen to's to sultan Khan and now he has right and so I had him on them backstage and I was like you know handle comes just one every time I listen to you I hear %HESITATION I just your sultan Khan schooling %HESITATION %HESITATION %HESITATION %HESITATION okay yeah so so yeah so I actually %HESITATION so I went to India in two thousand and I went with the band the city weird story I just by happenstance you know feet let me in the direction of well I'm playing in it with this folk rock band called the dharma bombs they invited me some interesting coming to sing story I was doing sound back in the but I've always done musicals are run just being a musician or anything anything that had anything to I mean I worked at a record store I worked in a high end stereo store building us speakers in crossovers and stuff like that and I will do sound if I have to because I know how to do it and so I got hired you sound at this club in New Jersey they are strong and for some that six so I think the ninety four I was calling in like four hours away %HESITATION %HESITATION Woodstock New York and I drove home I didn't want to get a hotel or things are drawn by someone what sets right and usually I would check my feeling he Bagan bring into the office and that's where I store my stuff I will office but this time around I just jumped in the doorway between the kitchen and the dining room yes yeah I went to bed and passed out and then the next day I got up and sometime in the middle of the afternoon I got a call from my friend Bobby so I wore this is a man you don't sound for us once you bring your Phil and I was like this is like I got my last stroke with people asking me to bring my fiddle and just like you know what to do yes so I was like you know I'm sure open what's the bread and all play the whole game well searchable get the sound grown involved now it's like well you know some of the money for yeah so I was like you know can be an asshole but I'm looking at what others do sound it'll be fine you know all right okay cool so I'm of course as a leading I I do I glance to my left there's a walking out the door I see my fuel and get back now in any other circumstance the only time it ever left my field and get back in that story okay and you know any of the time I walk out not see it I just get a cargo so I see a great thing in a Clinton Cornish and then on the last song that just so happened that this guy Bobby short work is based on your six Seattle based player that came out that he that someone recommended and he's pulling some charts and he was great and so at the end of an item racquetball courts and basically a sitting here and goes in and really like to clean them I'm sorry thanks for your crucial to this court yeah you want to go to India what yeah I'm like I'm playing this vehicle is gonna bombs and we've been invited to play the doll along as world wrestling secret music all up in Bangor and looking for a soul listen you do perfect of course you know dummy me I'm like well almost a brave and usually a little snow bread in fact you have to you have to buy your own plane ticket but when you're on turning your you'll be under the chair of the Indian government it's gonna be a great experience so I thought about it I have all these gigs lined up from a band and I was about to start cruising no record and so I went home that's what I talked about it to my wife my wife clear Hadley said okay are you gonna tell you don't tell a story about that record you may need in those Gigi did or are you gonna go play from the Dalai Lama yeah and like the storage you can rest you for life I'm like well I guess I'm going to so that's how I got introduced to Indian classical music for more support and also to Buddhism became a Buddhist as a result what we plead and the Dalai Lama was there and he gave us a small honorarium thing and then we got to work with this later that she we're going to stay in India and that when we found ourselves out don Sahlin look for us to come and play in black a show opened his house for himself and his staff %HESITATION so we we need we signed up and stay for another like three weeks three weeks or two weeks whatever LOL hardcore and check this out twelve hours crossed %HESITATION job don't follow and then of course he got it's funny because in the news right now that she calls he's getting all kinds of shepherd on Taiwan and at the time when we were when we were in John Saul and look it's all alone was going to try one and then this is gigantic kerfuffle when we got word from the surgery and then we will not be able he's not gonna be home we don't know when he's going to be home so we can be proactive you all of you know come down and play and so you're like shit but then the last day we get word is holiness is is in town and he looked at me so on and so we immediately hi Jill Dando was how soon that merit next you know a certain certain dollar loan is looming use it for while the isn't life a trip you can note read rewind back to none of this shit what happens if I had left the settlement the bag in the doorway %HESITATION when the sound in the home I would just on family guy would never heard me play fiddle H. okay now I have to ask I mean I know I know that they we'll have a guru experiences like Rahm das had with neem Karoli Baba alike you know they go in and sit with the person and you're enveloped in this field and it changes who they are I would equate my first dead show with something like that %HESITATION you know what was that like playing fiddle for the Dalai Lama manly for transsexuals unbelievable I mean I didn't so I was told not to not to experiment late night but the second song playing a solo just plain and I looked down because he said aren't for me trying to look I look down the neck of my violin and I noticed it he's also looking at him and he stared at me and he's looking right in my eyes on plant and then I guess I'm looking animals or any pre existing grand I'm like okay I'm cool at %HESITATION and and then did the was it was it the experience of meeting him that made you decide to become a Buddhist actually no well obviously it had something to do with it right but I would like to really develop %HESITATION this and they were like super interesting people that I got to know on the trip you know because we were in close quarters and %HESITATION and so when we were in the hospital and he's holding this is terrible right he has a simple lunch right along side of this phone we're just look up okay a lot of monks live and then they learn and they teach me that's the only thing is we are today and what is this all about the beating every day on our bikes in a circle and they they go over the teachings and they argue about it it's funny interesting I didn't understand it because you speaking to Bentonville but I when I went learn the guitar player in the band assist now it's become one of my best friends Chad wise I still keep in contact with old guys hello everyone small and shit let's go meditate over in the in the and the Dalai Lama strength will be great %HESITATION can never done this any kind of just show me how to do it and I I have amazing first meditation experience Mike and I told him about it and was like that is very unusual but what you're describing to me is no suckers experiences someone would have but after you know to me look after managing for you know a number of years right so what do you see this work %HESITATION there oh shit all my gosh while in me in this loop in his living room and Chad's father the guy on the left okay okay while I'm not a religious women that were dear let the song rain rains child and flowers between the stones and the severity is one is a song rank order mine now anyway four men it's it's it's crazy to think that one simple act one lake unconsciously simple act of leaving your bag in a place that you wouldn't typically leave it alter the course of the rest your life one hundred and even go to the other weird borrowed a write about this in the book the guy the guy who bought the site work what exist if it wasn't for me so I worked in a weird way because like I was telling my cell John Skehan and Kerry Mormon three members of the river three family members were playing in his band at the wetlands in New York City in the basement lounge and upstairs the disco biscuits for one okay and the guy would come was coming to see them to see it because they want a new booking engine your booking she called a living tree and not but he was what does like a circular stair at the club that goes down to one out or lounging as he's walking by it you heard the fiddle because it was cutting through everything and it was weak he was so what the sound was wet mopping up the spiral staircase what's center so you went down the list since you came in like halfway through the first set and then I went over the bar to get a drink and he can't this guy came up to me was like Hey man I really like to plan their own kind of why you drink a lot yeah the simple she's one of the first girl the second thing I tell kids when I go to high school joker is that the first thing you have to remember is never turn down free food or free alcohol the same thing you know all right when you start talking he was like you so I asked him I said well what what's your short film a music supervisor I also have a booking agency you know I'm used to grow as a risk Dan hello you don't know what that is yes somebody I need to know because you've got my music movies and television and so yeah that's right and so he was taken the band I went back up to the second Sunday notice you never left to go see that just came through the hole and then I went back to the bargain of the year before I was leaving and he gave me his card yes if I had a card on it or so my name my number down from and then the discrepancy to book the shit out of me every day well %HESITATION for like two weeks asking me if I wanted to first the first thing we did was like all I notice you're planning at the bottom line in your your your claim with Rick Danko and I was like yeah that that's almost one and we're not finding rectangle span okay in the US Danko we're playing at the bottom line is things can get a sense I was sure she gets tickets in the next scene always telling me about you know you can you should start your champion similar he's talking about sure I'm not dead just as the district okay I don't I mean I saw it I mean I but I do have a great experience that every detail and all life on its own they don't well you should be yeah I sold it for some sort of breaking bad was only nineteen seventy six hundred university and P. ten was in the back %HESITATION so okay I saw the original man wow yeah you saw the Grateful Dead for reader okay yeah and so she was like %HESITATION Wilson greenfield then started this year announced another jump now this is not what no longer touring blow up on you know you're you're seeing that you know you mentioned string cheese incident local satellite local salmon okay %HESITATION but I never heard the string cheese incident or not and the first thing you said I mean I love those guys are all my friends but the little search strings since that's a tragic name program well what if you know turns out they're great mineral superfriends once okay yeah while the study to their like their brother Lazarus salmon runs to me too so anyway he's far enough to me and I was like so busy %HESITATION but I'm I'm booked all songs manage the band I was in and out of play all shows in same old song and not she so I guess when it was in my band or late being overweight guy that we sort of you know real works with me he took the ball on a morning spent and and then he was like oh great he's going to do this with this what we want so we my own reactions in the skies was ramping down I found this old old blood on it and can you talk this guy Brian Ross who wanna be in reverse risk manager wow just to want to jam sessions at my house and we'll find out what she what she what plans are out there eventually the only people left standing were John Skehan myself and the entire country for shame shame around and that's all that she stole secrecy just for a bunch of original songs you know before that we were just playing a bunch of little restaurants and yeah we got something then we have the golden oak on the bass player and a drummer so first for cycle was carrying a woman because she was she was clean in body cyber combo and Bobby had like basically broke the band up moved to Florida and I knew like charity navigator so I called Sharon this is to get this thing going on we need a drummer and we need to draw that seems high you're the only drummer she sighed right now all of the three lets us our tool in Lightroom it's like you know we just getting around to them over the next you know write reports fox news so you know like we do record that and then we get literally the first five songs or the guy that became our manager Brower was sent a mail to Craig Ferguson to Chile road Lewis he loved it and we actually were booked on the main street tell your %HESITATION hello yeah wow we got back from the tour like the cherry comes and goes like well you got me yes some fans yes that's the one years later he's still in the band wow best decision I ever manage that D. Tim if you weren't writing a book already I would be telling the right item because the it's amazing to me to hear these stories because you know for us we see you play and we have whatever experience we have watching the music and it's beautiful but to know the people behind it it it changes the music press it makes it it's in Richmond yeah really is it and and especially with with stories like this I I have to ask it is the book close to being done I'm not sure honestly I mean I don't I don't know exactly how to answer that %HESITATION I got fifty two thousand words in already and I'm not even sure what our soul wow okay I have written about direct this origin story which I just told you how it relates to startle book with actually this sounds weird I give a little extra on looking for %HESITATION about one you know obviously everything I'm about to tell you is subject to my memory and then everybody's memories different and like you know some of the names of been changed to protect the guilty you know so but whatever and then the next thing is to get the tractors just called Bobby because I do I write about Bobby cyber this like three different things I didn't charge you for the first time through him and I would not work would not exist if I wasn't playing again and I with the methodology that changed my whole life %HESITATION wasn't going to play thank you when I came in the mail so okay so now talking to you this kind of is putting some puzzle pieces together my head we talk to Chad Staley not long ago about the high hawks things so that's you guys all kinda knew each other you produce and stuff for great American taxi back in the day because the first two records from them right and and new events already so which was in the band for the first record right so after the storm on that record and then he will he quit the band in an awfully land join the band I second what they have done a couple records you need to do a live record I think in another your record between what I did on the server the last one I did and they haven't done the record since that's all right so what what how did hi hawks come about that about Chad called me and asked me if I would come and play be a soloist on these games they were quickly gather and when and they didn't have a name for the band back then it was so so that was just Adam gruel and Vance and Chad and rhythm section we will we'll try asking Bryan Adams they just want me to they want to hire me to come out Splitsville the fuck down only in the band and %HESITATION and so they were like news Adam what we wanted to when I once I got the first rehearsal really realistic a week these guys definitely all about playing electric guitar which is not something you don't want to or originally known for right and of course I will my electric guitar and Adam the first union has not unlike here's the deal guys I'm not completely abandon the site also played guitar just like you know I'm not I mean I spent a lot of time with the right or it's like not arguing is going in which there was that there was no there was resistance to me playing electric guitar and that and so I would just like I'm planning guys I love it I love it and that's what I do and I was like and then Wesley run of form you know three or four songs no longer taking over the whole show now yeah in the look what you know in the future the sound of the high office is going to be based upon if we the three guitarists whether their electric or acoustic anytime three torso plane which is rare and usually in Plainfield right we're gonna be playing together when the next record we're gonna design all these guitar parts like cults like a no like it will be in a band television if you ever heard them the way that the way Richard Lloyd and tumbling at like that woman guitar not like to own brokers like not a solo which is the way they I mean it's just so or something and that's how I envision what the reptile skin actually do yeah that is banned from Australian L. cold rolling blackouts during these times I don't know she stressed I'm sure they're they're not this is not the only name mills right now down yeah she's keeping Nicola we're going to discuss this hello I love one of these like yes ma'am so it's colder cold rolling blackouts coastal fever okay and they have three electric guitar player and there I'm just now getting into them in their new record you can totally I mean it's old this is the wrong word it's it's it's like these beautiful chiming guitars that will fit together like they're not like on top of each other they all fit together select your that's kind of what I would love to see the high hopes it should be but that kind of thing because I think we could do it really well in this Sunday actually see all often in North Sea no three guitars is not definitely not something you see too often in this in you know you you you said something earlier like before rotor started you really weren't too hip on what the jam band scene was I I guess it was you know two thousand one two thousand one yeah well we got we are sort of talking to Brian about make about storing the standard two thousand okay ends so like you've had a good long time to watch the scene grow and and changing go through it's hard times and good times and whatever like what's your take on it where it is now you do you think that like we're the backup I kind of C. S. N. as in a little bit of a renaissance right now to me there seems to be a lot of really talented younger musicians musicians in the scene that have had a wealth of stuff that they've come up on and been inspired by and there %HESITATION weaving all these different styles together to create something beautiful in news so to me it seems like we're kinda having a bit of a resurgence in the jam scene what's your take on what's going on with things this is a lot of great bands out there those kind of always been you know you're not I mean you will even in two thousand one I went on our first tour went to the four somebody please high Sierra music festival festival check your it is a small light because it doesn't have you know honestly come just belong to such kind of person I am %HESITATION for most part jam band scene doesn't really do that much for me also mostly because what happens is this is a lot of Lincoln that goes on and I don't hear a lot of songs from the song because like release records and that's more what I look for is the song in honor or what people hire me for is to make the song you know the best you can be right you know but for the most part it's hard to find jam band that writes consults so like right out of the gate online not only that interesting comment I know that sounds no matter what whatever is it's an opinion you're all out you know and %HESITATION %HESITATION but you know we all went to high Sierra festival in there was way other things besides gender all right I mean every time you turn around with some of the things that we don't like what just for the first learns nickel Japanese elements like holy shit these guys like talking on which much honesty and %HESITATION you know it you know so you know the report like for instance believe strings were obviously is one of your own you know anybody he's no longer in the jam band scene as far as I'm concerned so that is just a lot of recording artist whatever you however you want it's Friday I don't nobody ever actually was in the gym fancy but because you know it I know he was a comp rocker many and you can totally tell away your checks Charlie it started out as a punk rocker right arm but you know she writes songs we listened to the roar the last record I mean both real songs yep and there's a real correction technique going on it's not just black people set up in a room and now which is fine no that's what mostly bluegrass is let's get the patient some for a couple of good microphones and just play fellas right now that's on our metrics I do I mean a lot of %HESITATION recorded tons of stuff level to four but you know mostly I want to get in there and you know or make it epic yes and no but but you know obviously that's you know my take on the GM and seeing right now is that there's I see so so for instance at northwestern summer like rainbow girls area you know that comes up on what else is less than minutes we were we were actually in the trunk the turnpike troubadours okay those guys know yeah check them out near like I there's no workaround really talented great singer is kind of a ram shackle gain full I can quite I love watching you describe to me the director really did their super cool songs they sing together at all having a blast and people are freaking out %HESITATION okay this is not their first rodeo you know that but they're not a chance you know not really the kind of country rock band so what's what's your take on a band like goose now that's really doing some stuff in the recording studio this last album that just came out is from Pilar I like that record at least a few songs on the record okay but honestly when I saw them live for the first time at high Sierra this year recalling the door players little friends %HESITATION okay guys goes on a long run Houston online right yeah yeah real time is seventy five percent of the show was implanted tarsal at the end goalie area there yeah I was gonna ask back to northwest string sama one of our favorites we met in two thousand nineteen D. did you catch her if you heard of %HESITATION banshee tree %HESITATION that they're out of boulder Colorado they got they have a knack the fiddle player it is a may that they're there oh wait I think I know the next guy hi he arguably will give their fellow lesson back up eight years ago okay all really that that therefore all told and then yeah yeah yeah he's actually good yeah he's very good we we've become good friends with that size ask and they played again on the tweener stage honey don't stage and this did did a great job again there was another been honest well they still together yes I'm not yeah there's a good guy he's a super he's a sweetheart yeah he is the whole band is the Michelle on the drums it's a sad thing where he just said like %HESITATION they're still a band they made it through the pandemic yeah it's not a real thing a lot of people do it what we heard a rumor that they weren't together right somewhere and it was all faults and dress like okay that it's a it's a tough tough crowd were working with tough world work living in right now man it's Amanda there's like there's we are completely yeah there's no way of getting around it's just you just just keep doing what you're doing on the Opel hope for the best but you know I mean honestly it's a scary fucking world meant for me yeah no I mean I'm I'm I'm out there playing multiple places in rural some festival in L. Nixon you know there we're doing some late night inside with like twenty five hundred people in a single person's work for in mass yeah well it's only gonna get sick again been sick once you know we've had two guys on the crew go down and have them you know it was an interesting thing within two weeks without our speech check and we rolled everybody said not breaking down around shit I like this it was done doing his shit yeah police well yeah we definitely what I do %HESITATION the ox which is kind of one that's that's also not so much I can look at it from here and we're you know we're lucky that it we get to see do it mandates it's look like you just said the world is a crazy place right now and anytime that we get to be %HESITATION that pressure release is magical for us right now man N. I I just I know you already know this but like what you guys do what railroad earth does is essential to us it it really is man it's no no bullshit like it it it yeah it's some of the house yeah I think I think music is the central yeah yeah I think that one of the things after the dollar after we played for the Dalai Lama he gave us this little each why he put it on the world festivals district music can do that for seven years all around all around the world in a he basically just said you know %HESITATION music will be one of our greatest tools to bring peace and happiness to the world that's and I'm sorry do that's coming out of the mouth of the Dalai Lama and come up your music transcends all language and everything people we talked to many people are like I played with these cat we couldn't even like to speak to each other because of different languages but you get your instruments out and boom it's on universal %HESITATION trolling I mean it's super important I mean what we do I mean even though we were not designated as essential workers we we are %HESITATION so workers as far as medicine I was designated an essential worker during all of that and I definitely needed your version of a central West Africa you know what being there in the front lines and literally seeing people come in it with that shocked kind of like you know war torn faces even though it wasn't that literal but these people are going to was it kind of was right like but I feel like I'm I'm from you know the east coast and %HESITATION but I live an hour from New York City so I'm and I'm we we saw the worst of the worst I mean this is this is there's no other way to describe it that they were outside hospitals and three tractor trailer trucks refrigerated trucks parked on a very hostile outside every household because you're from upper deck box custom works were full this shit won't every fucking night and I watched it and I just couldn't take it I'm not right every night also see that's legit that's you are you're right seeing that can't not fuck you up right you know like and so %HESITATION the only thing that would make me feel better is having that connection that music provides the beyond language the beyond happy like you don't have to converse all you do you need to do when you're listening to music is received and that is the kind of medicine that was needed for all those other essential workers like the nurses and the you know grocery clerks and you know all those types of people that had to literally keeps society going up here yeah and yeah without it I mean I never thought that live music could be gone and you know as everything was shut down I really realized how important it is for my soul for my mental health not that I didn't know that prior but it was really remember the gravity of it was re impressed on me through all of that and and %HESITATION yeah it's a I mean we lost a lot of men your order number I'm not sure which were not only three percent of all Liberians United States didn't make it while gap where quite a few upper Portland that didn't yeah luckily well I was limited thank you Tim for keep in keeping on trucking all NBL than not you know saying well you know F. it and you're too stubborn or too stupid Hey I appreciate you taking the time we were catching up with us and Hey I throw an offer out there when you do finish the book let me know and we'll help you promote anyway we can men that's great I really appreciate that well I'm really enjoying the process of writing it and it's actually believe or not it helps me remember %HESITATION you know it or not like I have to I mean it's it's pretty obvious when you get older you becomes harder the only part of my job is to do is like I'm just gonna get shot down for it she can't get it sure ascena that's that that's going to happen but you never know so no time like now share yeah well I feel like but what you said earlier Tim is the best quote of the day and I've heard it before but it bears saying again just keep doing what you're doing and hope for the best I love that so we got to do but yeah tell me one minute my new statement is like getting old is not process yeah my dad just passed away a couple years ago and that was one of the things he would say there was two things he would always say he was eighty was eighty six mile five eighty six he would say getting old is not for sissies and he said when you get all the the dries up or leaks Jesus arrived that's true that's true truly good yeah what one last thing before we go to you guys it's gonna it's going back to Erin and all said they got to see what that new year show up here those two came home kind of transformed from that show and could not relate to me what scene railroad earth was like alive so then I have my bike while they'll be coming again soon and then the world shut down for two years right now we don't we got to go to see you at red rocks with green sky bluegrass that Sunday night show when you guys all got up on stage together with Holly bowling and everything going on your guises performance they they couldn't describe a and I understood why when I saw you guys live I would listen to you many times but that experience of that tangible taste and smell of the live music and red rock you guys laid Erin was like wait till you see Tim David he's a he's a whiz it turns into a different person when he's playing the fiddle and I saw all that experienced it and it was our first time the three of us going to red rocks ever together and what glorious medicine to be giving coming out of it to your fault yeah well that's a great also a fantastic place to play no one actually I all right I'm the first one first person to say that I don't see full responsibility for what happens I have enough I have just enough technique to be able to stop thinking once I stopped thinking that's when the good stuff man on a stop start thinking that everything turns to shit so and it's costing them and that's why you took to meditation so well probably it's because that's the that's the thing with meditation it's like oh shit I meditating well no no I flew it out Hey Tim seriously man anytime you have anything to promote you got a home here so just let us know all thank you thank you really appreciate it man thanks thanks for having me on I'm sorry we didn't we did kind of hook up we got to meet you in person and then now we got to have the extended conversations it was awesome and we always offer to anytime you're up here in the Portland area with railroad earth or any other collaboration whatever you're doing you have a place to come have a home cooked meal we have a we have a we we like to set people up with that can I get off the road you do laundry will cook a meal for you sit on the patio get to know each other we'd love to and yet you guys you guys are my kind of people so right right I assume you have a have a great night or night man all right take care bye he signed him 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